Subject: MAX Digest - 4 Oct 1998 to 5 Oct 1998 (#1998-22)
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Topics of the day:

  1. 
  2. MAX article in THE MIX, November, plus ...
  3. iCube cable hack (2)
  4. efficiency
  5. How to make externals show up in the object list
  6. MAX objects for editing note names? (2)
  7. MAX Digest - 3 Oct 1998 to 4 Oct 1998 (#1998-21)

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Date:    Sun, 4 Oct 1998 23:25:07 -0500
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: 

>What is the best choise for space and machine conservation?
>
>a.  Using inlets and outlets
>b.  Using send and receive
>c.  It makes no diference what you use(a or b)
>
>???

f!t

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Date:    Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:21:07 -0000
From:    Nick Rothwell 
Subject: MAX article in THE MIX, November, plus ...

The latest issue of THE MIX magazine carries a MAX article, plus some
coverage of MSP, if anyone's interested.

The reason I mention this is that this issue coincides with the
reissue of the CASSIEL album LISTEN/MOVE, and the article carries a
sidebar and some text on the album and how MAX was used in its
realisation. The magazine's cover CD also carries a couple of album
tracks.



The album can be ordered online or via mail order in the UK and the
US. There are RealAudio snippets and ordering details at:

        http://www.cassiel.com/listenmove/



--
        Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL            contemporary dance projects
        http://www.cassiel.com            music synthesis and control

  "Welcome to Moscow, Mrs. Gandhi."  -- Leonid Brezhnev to Margaret Thatcher

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Date:    Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:26:05 -0700
From:    Matt Biederman 
Subject: iCube cable hack

Has anybody extended the iCube sensor cables to 50' or so?  If you have,
what type of cable did you use?  XLR was suggested, but is expensive.
Any other suggestions out there?

thanks
matt

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Date:    Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:34:01 -0700
From:    Peter Elsea 
Subject: efficiency

>What is the best choice for space and machine conservation?
>
>a.  Using inlets and outlets
>b.  Using send and receive
>c.  It makes no diference what you use(a or b)

most of the time c. Do whatever looks best on the screen
remember, what you see on the screen is just a graphical representation of
what is actually happening. Both patch cords  and send/recieve pairs get
parsed down to the same thing, an address to send a message to.
The only significant difference is that if you send to two receives, you
have no way of knowing which will get the message first. Patchcords are
about 95% certain to work right to left.

On a related issue, someone asked about number boxes and other displays
slowing the system down. If overdrive is on, the important work gets done
first, then any graphic updates happen. So you will see a slowdown, but
won't hear it.

Someone asking about external objects
>What is the first step to build it?
1) get Codewarrior (US$99 academic price, lots more to the liberated)
2) learn C (I'm not being facetious, it's not that hard, but plan on
spending several months)
3) print out and study the developers kit that came with Max.
Once you've been through the above, you can turn out objects faster than a
cat has kittens.

The object in question was a spreadsheet cell, sort of Excel for Max. The
real question is, what objects are  worth going through the above trouble?
I've written a lot, some of them are indespensible (to me at least) others
were a waste of time. So I'll pose the question: what kind of processes are
worth making an object for, which are best left as patchers, which should
we just do in some other program?

Antiorp concisely points out
>http://www.SymbolicSound.com/press-AES98.html
I saw their demo at AES, and this is a happening product, essential for any
self respecting EM lab. And the good news is that it is now affordable (I
know affordable is relative, but I can stretch my budget to cover it.)
This is not a competitor to msp- since it's hardware there are no latency
/card driver issues, and it's a higher level than msp. The KYMA modules do
heavy lifting like formant morphing right out of the box. msp is essential
for the items left out of KYMA, and is more cost effective for simple
chores.

Peter Elsea
Electronic Music Studios
University of California, Santa Cruz
http://arts.ucsc.edu/EMS/Music/index.html
 elsea@cats.ucsc.edu

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Date:    Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:26:40 -0400
From:    Chris Murtagh Hrdc-drhc 
Subject: Re: iCube cable hack

From: "Matt Biederman" , on 10/5/98 1:26 PM:
>Has anybody extended the iCube sensor cables to
>50' or so?  If you have, what type of cable did
>you use?  XLR was suggested, but is expensive.
>Any other suggestions out there?

 To start: XLR isn't a type of cable, just a type of connector. What that
person probably meant was a shilded twisted pair, but the
quality/impedance/price/etc. of these can vary dramatically. Also, since
the iCube is sending a pretty hot signal (5V I think - it has been a while
since I built new things for it), you shouldn't have to worry about induced
signals/noise too much (the mV that would be induced would be pretty
insignificant compared to the voltage on the line), but I could be wrong.

 In a community studio that I was working in, we were using really long
coax cables (over 100ft) and they worked really well. Unfortunately, coax
cable can be really expensive (we had it donated buy a local electronics
company), so I don't know if this will be a solution for you.

 So, I think your best bet would be to try a couple of different types of
cables and see what works for you. What you might want to try, is go to
demolition/construction companies and see if they are selling any cabling
that they might have found lying around. Any place that had coax/token ring
networks that recently changed to some other format will have a lot of coax
cable just wasting away in the ceilings, they might be willing to part with
it for cheap.

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Programming is an art form that fights back.

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Date:    Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:44:58 -0700
From:    Edward Spiegel 
Subject: How to make externals show up in the object list

Hi,

I hope this doesn't fall into the category of stupid Max questions, but
I've noticed that there are a lot of externals that come with MAX on the
CD but which don't appear in the new object list.

They all seem to be found all right (I use them in patchers all the
time), but I'm wondering if there is a way to get them to show up in the
window you get when you create new objects?

The manual doesn't really mention it (they mention that you can add the
names of externals to a text file--but that text file doesn't seem to
exist.

Also, MAX used to list the available externals when it loaded them at
startup. It no longer does this in 3.5.9--is there a way to turn this on.

Thanks,

Edward

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Date:    Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:45:00 -0700
From:    Edward Spiegel 
Subject: MAX objects for editing note names?

I am wondering if anyone on the list has written any objects to edit note
names stored in the OMS Name manager?

If not, does anyone know where I would find the information necessary to
write an external to do it?

Thanks,

Edward

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Date:    Mon, 5 Oct 1998 16:10:47 -0400
From:    Stephen Kay 
Subject: MAX objects for editing note names?

>I am wondering if anyone on the list has written any objects to edit not=
e
>names stored in the OMS Name manager?

>If not, does anyone know where I would find the information necessary to=

>write an external to do it?

The Software Developer's Kit included with 3.5.  But you need to know C.

Stephen Kay

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Date:    Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:51:16 -0700
From:    Jim Wood 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 3 Oct 1998 to 4 Oct 1998 (#1998-21)

>Does anyone have one that positions itself in the
>middle of the screen?  I do video mirroring and use
a projector and I
>would have to move the projector itself to center
the image.  Anyone know
>
>Jeffrey Krieger

Welcome to the Multimedia capabilities of Max!!
without re-writing the object ( which probably would
be a lot easier in the long run - someone help
please!!!) You'd have to go thru this labourious
process of making the movie appearing its own window
above the patcher (using bpatcher??), or resizing the
actual patcher window on load to be just as big as
the movie bounds. Then have a patch that centres it
on the screen. For this you need the desksize object
available from IRCAM ftp, whose help file explains
how to do this.
I hope that in newer versions of Max these things
might be sorted out. Hope it works for you.

jim y wood

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