Subject: MAX Digest - 1 Oct 1998 to 2 Oct 1998 (#1998-19)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 00:00:01 -0400
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Reply-To: MAX - Interactive Music/Multimedia Standard Environments
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There are 11 messages totalling 402 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Efficiency
  2. Excel within max
  3. movie
  4. PowerGlove, Goldbrick, PGSI ???
  5. [ SSEYO Koan Pro now available for the Power
  6. goldbrick ADB
  7. Sound Position *PLEASE POST*
  8. MAX Digest - 29 Sep 1998 to 30 Sep 1998 (#1998-17)
  9. Opcode and IRCAM
 10. Goldbrick interface
 11. Imager web site available

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Date:    Fri, 2 Oct 1998 00:19:51 -0400
From:    ryohros 
Subject: Efficiency


Those the overuse of sends and receivers can reduce L.F.Os preformance?


Date:    Fri, 2 Oct 1998 00:19:52 -0400
From:    ryohros 
Subject: Excel within max


>Stephen Kay Wrote:
>I'm afraid you'd have to write a custom object to do this.  Although
>that's actually kind of a cool idea for a future feature in Max -
>some way to group rows or columns of numboxes into a "unit", which
>could then be tabbed through.

What is the first step to build it?


Date:    Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:04:02 +0200
From:    Jeffrey Burns 
Subject: movie

>I think I know the answer to this but is there a way to get rid of the ugly
>title bar in the movie object?

Before David Z. beefed up the movie object about 9 months ago, Peter
Castine wrote a version of it for me which places the upper left corner of
the movie permanently at (0, 480) and kills the title bar. I can send it to
you if you like.

Jeff Burns


Date:    Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:01:04 +0200
From:    Oeyvind Brandtsegg 
Subject: Re: PowerGlove, Goldbrick, PGSI ???

There's also the Menelli Box,
wich I havent tried, but I'm currently getting one built for me.
If someone else want one, just mail me :-)

Anyway, I'll tell you how it works, when I get it.

Oeyvind Brandtsegg

Christoph Hoelscher wrote:

> Hi,
> yes, it is the old PowerGlove question again...

> <...>

> More recent references only name two interfaces: the
> GoldBrick and the PGSI.
> Does anybody know of other interfaces for the MAC?


Date:    Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:41:06 -0000
From:    Nick Rothwell 
Subject: [ SSEYO Koan Pro now available for the

Thought this might be of interest.
I'm narked that it's not available for 680x0-based Macs. All I want to
do is MIDI...

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Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 21:37:54 +0100
Subject: SSEYO Koan Pro now available for the Power Mac
From: Pete Cole 
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Generative Koan music system now on the Power Mac
SSEYO responds to high level of Power Mac user requests

MAIDENHEAD, UK (October 1, 1998) -- SSEYO® Ltd., creators of the
market leading generative Koan® music system for real and unreal worlds
today launched its flagship Koan authoring system, Koan Pro 2.1, for the
Power Mac. A Koan Mac plugin is set to follow shortly. It is SSEYO's
next major step in its strategy to deliver a cross platform, cross
browser generative music system. The generative Koan music system is
ideal for creating interactive sound environments, be these on the net
or in toys, installations or hyper-instruments. Koan is also a powerful
music creativity system.

SSEYO Koan Pro 2.1 for the Power Mac is today available for sale through
the SSEYO online store, priced the same as the Windows version at GBP
139.95. It is available in electronic form only. A demo version is also
available for free download from

Brian Eno used Koan Pro to create his pioneering release "Generative
Music 1" and SSEYO Koan Pro 2 was recently selected by the UK Millennium
Products initiative as being one of 200 "brilliant British creations".

Koan Pro 2.1 for Power Mac System recommendations:
Power Mac with MacOS 7 or later (MacOS 7.5 or later recommended), 5 Mb
of free memory in which to run, OMS Lite from Opcode systems
(, external synthesizer or Apple's Quick Time
Musical Instruments (QTMI).

For installation:  Aladdin Systems' StuffIt expander

For online manual: Adobe Acrobat reader (

                             # # # #

SSEYO, Koan and the SSEYO logo are either registered trademarks or
trademarks of SSEYO Ltd. in the UK and/or other countries. Other
products mentioned may be trademarks or registered trademarks of their
respective companies and are the sole property of their respective
manufacturers. Specifications subject to change. E&OE.
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Full HTML Press release:
Koan Pro 2.1 for Power Mac:
Software download page:
SSEYO Online store:   
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Copyright (c) 1998 SSEYO Ltd. All rights reserved.
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        Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL            contemporary dance projects            music synthesis and control

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Date:    Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:05:21 -0000
From:    David Bianciardi 
Subject: Re: goldbrick ADB

On 10/2/98 3:59 AM, Automatic digest processor wrote:

>And I hardly dare to ask, but does anybody on the list want to sell their
>Goldbrick interface?

Well, actually, a few years ago, I bought one of Eric Singer's last
ones...and NEVER used it.
Never even tried it.  What a waste.

I don't even remember what I might have paid for it...(Eric?)...or what
it might be worth.
I'd be glad to part with it.

In the mean time, you might take Chris Murtagh's advice regarding the
I-cube, or contact Emmanuel Flety, about his
digitizer unit.  I just sold him a bunch of gloves I had lying around,
and I know he plans to get rid of the glove guts and interface his box
directly to the bend sensors.  In any case, in my opinion this is
preferable to the goldbrick (if you don't mind some hardware hackage)
simply in terms of the resolution....

let me know privately if you want the goldbrick

David Bianciardi

212.353.3947 fax
IDRC || 415 Lafayette St || NYC, NY 10003-7000


Date:    Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:40:20 -0500
From:    pgena@ARTIC.EDU
Subject: Sound Position *PLEASE POST*

To follow is notice of a position opening in the Sound Department of the
School of the Art Institute of Chicago.  Please post and distribute freely.

Thank you,
 Erica Deutsch
Assistant to Division Chairs
School of the Art Institute of Chicago
Audio Artist/Musician.  The School of the Art Institute of Chicago.
Full-time, tenure-track, rank open.

Sound department seeks practicing audio artist/musician with experience in
one or more of the following:  digital/analog electronic production
techniques, experimental instrument design and construction, improvisation,
sound installation, and sound for internet or multi-media presentation.
Candidates should be familiar with current critical discourse as well as
with the history of audio art and experimental music. Candidates should be
comfortable working with sound and music in the context of a variety of
artistic disciplines.  MFA or other terminal degree or equivalent
experience as well as college-level teaching experience required.

Send letter of application; resume; documentation of work (audio cassette
or DAT, VHS/NTSC videotapes, slides, CDs or CD-ROMS, written materials);
names and addresses of three references and self-addressed stamped envelope
by February 1, 1999 to:  Sound Search Committee/em1, SAIC, Dean's office,
37 S. Wabash, Chicago, IL 60603.


Date:    Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:53:38 -0400
From:    baxtrr 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 29 Sep 1998 to 30 Sep 1998 (#1998-17)

>Date:    Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:48:54 -0400
>From:    Chris Murtagh Hrdc-drhc 
>Subject: Re: IRCAM announces first public release of jMax
>>jMax will be available for free download on IRCAM's
>>ftp and http site starting the beginning of November
>>98, with a basic set of DSP libraries and documentation.
>>A full-featured version...
>>is available through the registration, on a yearly basis,...
>Is this just my misreading of this or is IRCAM developing a product that
>will compete with MSP? This sounds strange. Are things not friendly between
>IRCAM and Opcode/Cycling'74 (well, as friendly as can be expected)?

i think
that whether or not
'things are friendly'
probably has little to do
with this issue

ircam must continue its research
david z must make a living
if both are interested in audio
they must clash eventually

never having looked
at the ircam version of max
i have been led to believe
by context
that the ircam and opcode maxen
exist in parallel
each has its proponents
but has managed to survive
in the presence of the other

is this not also likely
for jmax and msp?


ps. thanks to david z and cycling 74
for a lovely evening at jhno's in san francisco
zack settel's set was very cool
(what precisely was he doing with msp?)
and the bomb demonstration was a lot of fun

baxtrr the cd muse


Date:    Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:59:18 -0400
From:    Chris Murtagh Hrdc-drhc 
Subject: Re: Opcode and IRCAM

From: "baxtrr" , on 10/2/98 3:53 PM:
>ircam must continue its research
>david z must make a living
>if both are interested in audio
>they must clash eventually

 I'm not sure if I agree with this. Maybe I'm naive, but couldn't IRCAM do
it's research co-operatively with what David Z. is doing? Then David Z.
uses some of the IRCAM research, and pays royalties (sort of farming out
R&D). This gives Cycling 74 access to R&D it otherwise couldn't afford, and
IRCAM a source of income and world market with less possibilities of
conflicts of interest within the institution. No clash needed. I am aware
that private sector and the academic world don't always blend well in
economic ventures, but I do see that changing (not always for the better).

 I really don't know about the relationship between Opcode and IRCAM other
than stories and rumours of bitterness. Is there a way to have a
co-operative, financially successful effort, I don't know. I do know that
it would be far more beneficial to everyone else involved (consumers and

So, I guess I'm asking the same question as you:

>is this not also likely
>for jmax and msp?

Programming is an art form that fights back.


Date:    Sat, 3 Oct 1998 11:38:58 +1000
From:    Garth Paine 
Subject: Goldbrick interface

>Date:    Thu, 1 Oct 1998 16:10:19 +0100
>From:    Christoph Hoelscher 
>Subject: PowerGlove, Goldbrick, PGSI ???
>yes, it is the old PowerGlove question again...
>I just got myself a PowerGlove (from eBay) and I was wondering how to use
>it with MAX (of which I am a newbie).

>And I hardly dare to ask, but does anybody on the list want to sell their
>Goldbrick interface?

I have a Goldbrick I bought from Eric 2 years a go and have never got
around to using.  I'd be happy to sell it.



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Date:    Fri, 2 Oct 1998 23:19:25 -0500
From:    Fred Collopy 
Subject: Imager web site available

Those of you who are interested in multi-media, particularly the
integration of graphics and music may want to have a look at my new web
site. I have provided some history, an annotated bibliography, links to
many sites that deal with the topic, and original material including
demonstrations produced using my own Max-based Imager software. In the near
future, I will provide the software as well. Comments are, of course,
welcome. The url is

Fred Collopy
Assoc Prof at Case Western Reserve University and
Visiting Scientist at IBM's T.J. Watson Research Center


End of MAX Digest - 1 Oct 1998 to 2 Oct 1998 (#1998-19)