Subject: MAX Digest - 22 Sep 1998 to 23 Sep 1998 (#1998-10)
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 00:00:02 -0400
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There are 14 messages totalling 470 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1.  (2)
  2. Message from Internet
  3. unt!tld 0+2
  4. pluggo/evening/EM
  5. SAMT Re: Video -Who is with me?
  6. sluggish 5300
  7. remote midi
  8. Hertz->Cents
  9. -Hertz->Cents
 10. wordcut
 11. Job Posting - May be of Interest to some Members of Max List
 12. Video Sampler
 13. What you've been waiting for...

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Date:    Wed, 23 Sep 1998 01:03:02 -0500
From:    antiorp@TEZCAT.COM

>Not to mention QT3 also play MIDI files like a charm, much better than the
 >seq or detonate objects
 >(addressing the concerns of other recent posts to the list)
 >Who is with me?

 do u reku!re ass!ztansz

 >formant synthesis :
 >fof synthesis

 formant synthesis != fof
 fof = rodet.z formant s!nthes!s

 >was implemented in Csound, and the Csound source code is
 >publically available somewhere.  This is just one possible implementation.
 >Another *beautiful* (and real-time) implementation was made by Gerhard
 >Eckel and Francisco Iovino for the Ircam Signal Processing Workstation
 >(ISPW) using Miller's Max/FTS 0.26.

 + 1 > b! werner kaegi

 >Gerhard's and Francisco's fof objects
 >were included in a larger package which implemented Chant (synthesis of
 >singing voice via a rule-based method) in a real-time context.  This
 >package is currently up and running in MSP and being beta tested.  It will
 >hopefully become available to the Ircam Forum's Real-time user's group
 >December!  It IS HOT!!! (...and it has a very sexy logo, I might add.)

 as hot az j!mm!ez logo +?

 >In addition, MSP will provide some of the sonic action in the
 >Sonorus booth,

 perm!t zom1 2 vom!t


Date:    Wed, 23 Sep 1998 02:37:20 -0400
From:    Stephen Kay 
Subject: Message from Internet

>antiorp says:

>>In addition, MSP will provide some of the sonic action in the
>>Sonorus booth,

>perm!t zom1 2 vom!t

douzo. perm!t zom1 2 vom!t on U


Date:    Wed, 23 Sep 1998 01:51:37 -0500
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: unt!tld 0+2

>From:    Robert Henke 
>fab book "computer music" by
>charles dodge and thomas a jerse.
>i could send it to you.

eczelent book.

re: bookx - !f zom 1 n!sz
= !ntrztd !n an opnd 1nz kop+e ov
kom.poz!ng !nter.akt!f [ke!word]
mu.s!k w!th max b! tod w!nkler
4 sh!pp!ng kozt plz !nform.

!f zom 1 n!sz haz [eczellent] bookx
4 kozt ov sh!pp!ng plz !nform.


Date:    Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:01:42 -0000
From:    Nick Rothwell 
Subject: Re: pluggo/evening/EM

> Max list participant jhno  is hosting this event at
> his wonderful space at 964 Natoma, south of Market between 10th &
> 11th.

Aaw, I wish I could be there. I love jhno's work (kwno is terrific)
and have been wanting to see his space for years. (Can I come and
visit sometime, John?)

> Finally, you may want to check out the review of MSP in the October
> issue of Electronic Musician magazine.

There's also going to be a review in the November issue of The Mix
magazine (UK), which I believe will also contain some coverage of the
working process of an outfit called CASSIEL and an album called

        Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL            contemporary dance projects            music synthesis and control

  "Welcome to Moscow, Mrs. Gandhi."  -- Leonid Brezhnev to Margaret Thatcher


Date:    Wed, 23 Sep 1998 12:20:58 +0200
From:    Andreas Weixler 
Subject: SAMT Re: Video -Who is with me?

>Date:    Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:28:54 +0000
>From:    Johnny DeKam 
>Subject: Firewire Video Output
>Suggestion:  There are alot of people who long for better video & graphics
>support within MAX.
>I understand that music composition has always been the priority, but there
>seems to be alot of demand for video/graphics in context of interactive
>performance and installation...
>Who is with me?

Me. Hi Johnny, I tried a Miro DC30 Video Card with the objects video and
videoin. it works.
But I have troubles with the file, as I wrote to the max list.
Couldnt solve it.
does any one know what could be the reason that most of the time I cannot
open and if, the patcher is not connected. But with the Player
it works fine (same max folder !).

I would be very interested in expirences of other Maxers with max and video
please mail to the list or to
and if there are patches to download ?

Andreas Weixler, composer, lecturer
SAMT Studio for Advanced Music and Media Technology
Bruckner-Conservatory Linz/ Austria
directors board of GEM
Society of Electroacoustic Music in Austria
T/F: ++43 316 39 11 68


Date:    Wed, 23 Sep 1998 08:48:57 EDT
Subject: sluggish 5300

In a message dated 9/22/98 11:06:21 PM, you wrote:

I definitely can't work with MAX on the 5300 without Speed Doubler.  Not
OS 8 really works faster with MAX and the 5300 but MAX seems more stable.

Jeff Krieger


Date:    Wed, 23 Sep 1998 09:20:39 -0400
From:    Michael Sweet 
Subject: Re: remote midi

overlobe@OZEMAIL.COM.AU writes:

>this may be off topic...any tips on how i could network the two macs? and
>send control info between them?

How about using Apple Remote Access (ARA) to dial up a server and then
they're appletalked together.  I know someone has not updated the Appletalk
object for a long time in Max but you may try the TCP alternatives (OTUDP,
TELNET, etc.)  which may or may not work over ARA.  Let us know if you try
it though.

--Michael Sweet


Date:    Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:23:48 +0200
From:    "Dr. Karlheinz Essl" 
Subject: Re: Hertz->Cents

I just put an update of "note2frq" and its help.file which now deals with
MIDI-cents onto:


   Dr. Karlheinz Essl - Composer
   Vienna / Austria
   Studio for Advanced Music & Media Technology


Date:    Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:39:26 +0200
From:    Roland Cahen & Ruth Sefton-Green 
Subject: -Hertz->Cents

>> Hi.  Could you ask on the Max/Msp list if someone has written an
>> external to do Hertz to Cents/Cents to Hertz conversion?

there are 1200 cents in an octave (30OSavarts) or 100 cents in a semitone.
so if you use ftom to mesure an interval and divide the output
by 100 you may have something correct in cents.
(It isn't absolute but mesures intervals)

>From:    ryohros 

>i need to be able to trigger video in real time with keys on the keyboard
>Kind of like a video sampler (with any mpeg card)
>it's there any way of doing this?

Can't you use imovie  object in Max ?
start message plays it


What happens ?
Suddenly changing file whith sfplay~ as well as all loading objects
takes about 5 seconds instead of 1/50 formerly
What could be the reason ?
a problem with my patch, to many files in the pref
my mac ?

What is
*error : number of channels err -201



Date:    Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:56:09 +0200
From:    Michael Kieslinger 
Subject: wordcut

antiorp wrote:=20
>!z dzere an+e wa! 2 l!m!t dze s!ze ov dze msg box=20
>!n dze patch b.lo tzo evn when !t rece!vz a msg=20
>wh!ch =3D lrgr !t w!ll not change s!zez=20
here is a patch that should do it.=20
instead of 'itoa' 'sprintf' can be used but changing=20
the size of the output is more complicated than.=20
max v2;=20
#N vpatcher 283 471 543 673;=20
#P number 153 72 35 9 0 0 0 3;=20
#P message 30 51 86 196617 theextralongword;=20
#P message 30 118 48 196617 theext;=20
#N vpatcher 82 192 283 408;=20
#P inlet 89 37 15 0;=20
#P newex 34 118 50 196617 itoa;=20
#P newex 34 59 50 196617 spell;=20
#P inlet 34 38 15 0;=20
#P newex 34 78 50 196617 thresh;=20
#P newex 34 97 65 196617 slice 10;=20
#P newex 34 138 64 196617 prepend set;=20
#P outlet 34 162 15 0;=20
#P comment 84 122 100 196617 by Steve Ellison;=20
#P connect 6 0 4 0;=20
#P connect 4 0 3 0;=20
#P connect 3 0 7 0;=20
#P connect 5 0 6 0;=20
#P connect 7 0 2 0;=20
#P connect 2 0 1 0;=20
#P connect 8 0 3 1;=20
#P pop;=20
#P newobj 30 95 50 196617 p wordcut;=20
#P message 40 72 62 196617 anotherword;=20
#P comment 117 61 40 196617 size of output:;=20
#P connect 4 0 2 0;=20
#P connect 1 0 2 0;=20
#P fasten 5 0 2 1 158 90 75 90;=20
#P connect 2 0 3 0;=20
#P pop;=20


Date:    Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:31:16 -0400
From:    Kenneth N Babb 
Subject: Job Posting - May be of Interest to some Members of Max List

The  following appeared in the "Village Voice" Online:

                      PROJECT TECHNICIAN
                      Highly motivated
                      detail-oriented individual
                      needed to work on exciting
                      mutilmedia project developing
                      computerized self-interview sys
                      tems for use in Child
                      Psychiatry. Applicants must be
                      highly computer literate with
                      experience using digital
                      audio/video or computer
                      graphics. Bachelor's degree + 2
                      years experi ence. Applications
                      from bilingual candidates are
                      strongly encouraged. Interested
                      persons should respond in
                      writing to Research Foundation
                      Personnel office, NYC
                      Psychiatric Institute, 722 West
                      168th Street, New York, NY
                      10032. For additional
                      informaton call: 212-543-5310
                      An Affirmative Action/Equal
                      Opportunity Employer.
                      Posted 09-22-98


Date:    Wed, 23 Sep 1998 23:15:39 +0200
From:    Hans Tutschku 
Subject: Re: Video Sampler

>Subject: Video Sampler
>5) pose -- my personal favorite right now -- stable, easy interface,
>performance, dynamic scaling and effects transitions, built on the "video
>sampler" paradigm.  Also does still images.
>Distributed by Steinberg -- with a street price around $300.  (demo
>available at

Yes nice, but with a unpredictable delay between the pressed key and the
start of the
video (tested on several machines G3)



Date:    Wed, 23 Sep 1998 20:07:00 -0500
From:    =cw4t7abs 

Although Compaq still leads in the consumer market with 30.9
percent of systems sold in August, Apple advanced to the third
spot with 13.5 percent market share, up from 6 percent the month
before. HP was second with 23.2 percent, and IBM was fourth
with 10.5 percent.


Date:    Tue, 22 Sep 1998 23:22:43 -0500
From:    Johnny DeKam 
Subject: What you've been waiting for...

I picked this up on O'grady's powerbook page
(THE place for everything powerbook -

Digital Audio Capture - a PowerBook Reality (Finally!)

In revolutionary news Digigram will demonstrate their new Mac OS Sound
Manager driver for the PCXpocket PC cards at AES in San Francisco at the en=
of September. This awesome card and driver combination will allow, for the
first time, a PC card equipped PowerBook to capture digital audio. The
company anticipates that the driver will generally be available in October.

Shortlist of features:
Audio specifications

* Two balanced analog inputs (20-bit AD conversion)
* Two unbalanced analog outputs (20-bit DA conversion)
* One stereo digital input (SPDIF)
* Programmable sampling frequency: 48, 44.1, 32, 24, 22.05, 16, 11.025, 8
* Frequency response at 48 kHz
record + play): 20 Hz - 20 kHz: =B1 0.15 dB
* Signal/noise ratio (record + play): > 88 dB
* Distortion + noise at 1kHz
(record + play): <-84 dB
* Phase difference between channels (record + play):
20 Hz - 20 kHz, 0.2=B0 / 2=B0
* Unbalanced line outputs or headphone output (600 Ohms)
* Programmable microphone input gain: +30 dB to +48 dB
* Programmable line input level
* Programmable output level
* Programmable balanced input level: maximum +10 dBu
* Programmable unbalanced input level: maximum +4 dBu
* Programmable output level: maximum +4 dBu

Physical format and connections

* Type II PC Card (height 5 mm)
* Connections: PCX pocket is supplied with PC Card connector with:
* two XLR connectors (balanced mic./line inputs)
* one stereo jack (headphone or line output)
* one CINCH connector for SPDIF input
* one CINCH connector for SMPTE input


-- Johnny DeKam


End of MAX Digest - 22 Sep 1998 to 23 Sep 1998 (#1998-10)