Subject: MAX Digest - 3 Sep 1998 to 4 Sep 1998
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There are 9 messages totalling 290 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. MSP & SoundManager
  2. iMac will make more noise than you think.
  3. TAG correction:
  4. news, part 1 (2)
  5. LiSa and Max
  6. Analog to MIDI interface (AtoMIc)
  7. Problem with MAX/MSP after crash (again)
  8. Serial object/ports

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Date:    Fri, 4 Sep 1998 12:27:53 +0000
From:    =?iso-8859-1?Q?=F5=FF?= 
Subject: MSP & SoundManager

hi all,

just getting started with learning Max, and then MSP. The first thing I'm
to do (as I think I mentioned in my intro a month or so ago - yes it took
long for my copy of Max to arrive) is create a midi front end for LiSa
live sampling software).

the other thing I'd eventually like to do, is to create an audio "rear end"
LiSa using MSP, which leads to my first question...

I'd like to be able to do further processing on LiSa's ouptput, so is it
possible to, as it were, interupt the audio pathway between LiSa's output
the SoundManager, and insert a Max/MSP patch? Or is there another way to do
on a single machine? (I'm doing all this on a PowerBook 3400c). Or am I
at a 2 machine setup?

the other thing I was wondering....

I was looking at the picture on the front of the Max manual, and I couldn't
decide whether the picture was of someone having a flash of inspiration, or
David Z in the sixties (long orange hair and green hairband). I think we
be told!  :-)




Date:    Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:51:13 -0400
From:    Chris Murtagh Hrdc-drhc 
Subject: iMac will make more noise than you think.

Greetings all,

 Regarding the iMac thread, etc.  I just got 3 iMacs in my home, and I
spent last night networking them etc. They are fantastic little machines
except for one issue (and to me it is a biggie). When the CD-ROM is
spinning, it sounds like a B-52 is overhead, the noise is unbelievable.  So,
 for anyone who is thinking of using an iMac for MSP, I would strongly
recommend NOT using the CD-ROM if the machine is going to be anywhere on
stage (unless you are really cranking up the volume).  At least try one
before you buy it and stick a CD-ROM in it to have a listen. I haven't
tried an audio CD in it yet, but I will when I get home this evening,
hopefully the noise won't be as bad.  For the moment, it looks like the G3
All-in-one is the way to go for a low-cost MSP machine. I hope Apple will
come out with better (as in less noisy) CD-ROM's in their next model and
maybe a fix for this one.



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microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of


Date:    Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:27:54 +0000
From:    Carlton Joseph Wilkinson 
Subject: TAG correction:

My apologies. The correct URL for the Trenton Avant Garde Festival is:

where the "tag" must be lowercase.



Date:    Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:50:40 -0700
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: news, part 1

Cycling '74 concluded two agreements yesterday with Opcode. The
first of these agreements will allow my company to develop
new versions of Max, including a version for Windows NT that
is projected for mid-1999 release. The porting-to-Windows
project will begin next week, so an exact schedule is obviously
impossible to determine at this time. The second agreement
will allow Cycling '74 to sell single copies of Max in a bundle
with MSP. The bundle product will not include the usual Max
packaging--instead both the Max and MSP manuals we be on CD-ROM. The
bundle will be available in about a month and the exact price has
not been determined. MSP will continue to be sold by itself
over the internet, but the bundle will only be available in
physical packaging (it would be about a 20MB download).

The agreement does not allow Cycling '74 to sell multiple
copies of the bundle, nor does it allow for site licensing
of the bundle. Purchasers who are interested in these arrangements
will still have to deal with Opcode and Cycling '74 separately.

As part of the agreement, Cycling '74 will be able to authorize
Max using the PACE "challenge/response" scheme that does
not require a key disk. (This is a machine-specific permanent
authorization, unlike the scheme we use for MSP.) This will allow
Max to run on hardware that does not have a floppy drive.

So, let's review some facts about the agreement just to clarify
what I said:

1. Opcode is still the publisher of Max. Nothing has changed
about that. Cycling '74 will become another *distributor* of
Max, acting like distribution companies all over the world
that handle Opcode's products.

2. Opcode (i.e., Gibson) and Cycling '74 are separate companies.
They have not merged. They just signed a couple of agreements.

3. Future development of Max will occur on *both* the Macintosh
and Windows platforms. Opcode will sell Max on both platforms.
Cycling '74 will sell MSP on both platforms.

If you have any questions about what I've said, please let me know.
More announcements next week!

David Z.


Date:    Fri, 4 Sep 1998 19:06:19 +0200
From:    Matthew Ostrowski 
Subject: LiSa and Max


I wrote the manual for LiSa, and can tell you it probably won't be easy,
especially if you want to keep it around for a while  -- v 2.0 will be out
in the fall, with a lot of changes, the most relevant being 32-bit FP
internals for the sampling, and also built-in resonant filters.

Re your MIDI front end -- I messed about with that quite a bit, and you'll
find that quite a lot of data gets lost as you go across the IAB in OMS.
(This is not a problem if you go directly in from an external MIDI source
via the serial port.)  I think it has to do with LiSa doing it's DSP during
interrupts, and the serial port has higher priority than OMS, or something
like that.  If you're worried about losing stuff in your data flow, this is
a serious problem for us max users, and I doubt that's being addressed in v
2.0.  (I tried to get them to do the whole thing as a Max object (this was
before MSP), but they didn't cotton to that idea...).

I avoid all things having to do with the sound manager, so I can't tell you
much about that, but I know it's ugly & probably not doable without a lot
of low-level programming, if at all. Someone better informed than I can
perhaps help out with that. In addition (I've got the same machine as you),
you're probably going to hit your CPU pretty hard trying to run both
programs at once, anyway, so I'd suggest using 2 machines.  This also has
the advantage of your being able to send your MIDI from Max out on the
serial port, & thus getting better respones from LiSa.

Hope this helps.

While I'm here, I might as well put my oar in about sensor->MIDI stuff.
Having worked with several of the commercially available options, I'd like
to second the custom-building solution.  Sometimes, if it's something
simple, it will come in under the price of something like an I-cube, and
even if it's more, you con know it will do exactly what you want.



Date:    Fri, 4 Sep 1998 21:02:02 +0200
From:    Roby Steinmetzer 
Subject: Re: Analog to MIDI interface (AtoMIc)

>Price will depend on how many boxes me manufacture. If we can come up to 50
>it should be less than US$ 700.

Is there a place where one can subscribe?

Roby Steinmetzer
Luxembourg, Europe


Date:    Fri, 4 Sep 1998 21:20:43 +0200
From:    Roby Steinmetzer 
Subject: Re: Problem with MAX/MSP after crash (again)

I'm a little late with this:

>And there's one thing that still
>isn't fine: when clicking into the 'more objects' arrow in a max patcher,
>the icons are missing. There are only blank squares appearing. The other
>object icons drawn at the top of the patcher are ok.

I have exactly the same problem.

I think that I tried everything, reinstalling, emptying the trash, deleting
the preferences file...
without success.
The only thing I did not do was de-installing Max.
I'm sure you guess why: Yes, I'm still waiting for my replacement
authorization disk! (it's only 3.5 months)

So if someone has another suggestion...

Roby Steinmetzer
Luxembourg, Europe


Date:    Fri, 4 Sep 1998 21:19:38 +0200
From:    Oeyvind Brandtsegg 
Subject: Re: news, part 1

David Zicarelli wrote:

> Cycling '74 concluded two agreements yesterday with Opcode. The
> first of these agreements will allow my company to develop
> new versions of Max, including a version for Windows NT that
> is projected for mid-1999 release.

That's what I call good news :-)
I mean, this could hopefully make max a more "widespread" programming tool,

and more people will have more good ideas.

Will MSP be ported to NT too ?



Date:    Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:25:28 -0400
From:    "L. Shea" 
Subject: Serial object/ports

Thanks to all who responded to the serial object problem.

It turns out that the pins on the MAC serial to RS-232 adaptor cable were
indeed incorrectly routed. So if anyone has trouble controlling an external
device from the serial object be sure to get an accurate pin diagram and
use a continuity tester to test the pin routing.

    MACINTOSH SERIAL (modem)     RS-232 SERIAL

        A  B  C
        D  E  F                   1 2 3 4 5
         G  H                      6 7 8 9

For the Autopatch 1Y16 video matrix switcher:
Pin D to pin 2 (transmit to receive)
Pin F to pin 3 (receive to transmit)
Pins A and E to 5 (ground)

The other pins can be used for "hardware handshaking" which thankfully I
didn't need to do. Also be sure to set the Serial object to 9600 Baud, 8
data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity.



End of MAX Digest - 3 Sep 1998 to 4 Sep 1998