Subject: MAX Digest - 30 Aug 1998 to 31 Aug 1998
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Topics of the day:

  1. iMac hardware (2)
  2. MAX Digest - 29 Aug 1998 to 30 Aug 1998
  3. iMac audio
  4. USB midi stuff
  5. error 28 + AIFF player???
  6. iMac and audio/Macintouch extracts
  7. Editing abstractions?
  8. iMac USB
  9. Reversing sequence in seq object
 10. max 2.5

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Date:    Mon, 31 Aug 1998 01:03:30 +0000
From:    Johnny DeKam 
Subject: iMac hardware

D.Z. said:

>And just to be clear, Opcode has said they will make OMS
>support MIDI interfaces over USB. But neither they, nor anyone else
>I know of, has announced any USB MIDI hardware. Is there any?

Correction, Opcode has just announced a USB based interface called "the
DATport"

which not only will have MIDI, but also digital audio i/o via S/PDIF

http://www.opcode.com/news/press/datport_pr.html

also I saw a report of another company (I think Roland(?)) who already has a
USB Midi interface on the market (for PC), but does not yet have a Mac
driver,
but has announced plans to release one.

My research has shown that the various USB to serial port (RS422) adapters
being made will
not support midi -- so it's good that Opcode has taken the bull by the
horns.

Doesn't solve the floppy problem at all though... good time to dump PACE,
personally I prefer David's MSP protection scheme.

There are several good resources now for iMac info here's one that will put
you on the
"iMac ring" of websites:

http://www.theimac.com/

--> this is a really big rumor, but it has been reported that the next
generation of iMacs, as well as the next generation of Powerbooks will
feature a built in Firewire port in addition to USB.
(USB has 12 Mbit/sec bandwidth, Firewire has 400 Mbits! (that's faster than
ultrawide scsi folks!))

-- Johnny DeKam (gosh, I don't even own an iMac!)

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Date:    Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:57:39 +0000
From:    Amy Knoles 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 29 Aug 1998 to 30 Aug 1998

> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:57:13 -0400
> From:    Eric Singer 
> Subject: Burning Man
>
> Any Max-ers going to Burning Man?  If so, stop by Paradox Park, where Max
> will figure prominently.
>
> Eric

Eric!

Are you sure it's safe to take MAX to the hippies??

I'm in MYC Nov 12 & 13 at the Miller with new Steve Mackey/Rinde Eckert
Opera
"Ravenshead", you around??  It may be of interest to MAXERS no max but all
electronic chamber band......

S'up with Fna??
xoxo, OM

>
>

   -- Amy Knoles
Executive Director- The California E.A.R. Unit
PO Box 86374 Los Angeles, Ca. 90086-0374
213.244.9788 ph/fax
213.880.0833 cell
EMail:  amy@earunit.org       or above address
Visit our web site at: www.earunit.org

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Date:    Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:56:29 -0000
From:    Nick Rothwell 
Subject: Re: iMac audio

> So perhaps the iMac will be a great MSP machine...(?)

Well, it won't even allow MAX installation without a floppy drive...

(Is the USB drive available? Does MAX's copy protection work with it?)

--
        Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL            contemporary dance projects
        http://www.cassiel.com            music synthesis and control

  "Welcome to Moscow, Mrs. Gandhi."  -- Leonid Brezhnev to Margaret Thatcher

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Date:    Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:57:12 +0200
From:    Paul Doornbusch 
Subject: USB midi stuff

> The big problem in need of a solution with iMac seems to have
> gone unstated: it's unknown whether the third-party USB drives
> will read copy-protected (i.e., Opcode Max) key disks. PACE doesn't
> know the answer and I don't even think the drives are shipping yet.
> Of course, if you don't have a drive, what are you going to do if
> you want to use Max? Well, I hope to have an announcement
> on this subject by the end of this coming week (which will probably
> be a small part of a much bigger announcement).
>
> And just to be clear, Opcode has said they will make OMS
> support MIDI interfaces over USB. But neither they, nor anyone else
> I know of, has announced any USB MIDI hardware. Is there any?
>
Roland has, an audiocanvas (more headaches with hardware to support) and a
straight midi interface.  There's of course no mention of MacOS support.

See
http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/SNAMM98/Roland/UA-100.html
http://www2.edirol.com/mpu64.html
http://www2.edirol.com/ua100order.html

I expect that Opcode feels compelled to move the Studio 5 et al
to USB.

Paul

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Date:    Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:38:31 +0100
From:    Carl FAIA 
Subject: Re: error 28 + AIFF player???

John,

I've had memory problems using Eric's AIFFplayer as well. My first
suggestion is to make sure you are using the latest version (some months
ago he updated the object to something like 1.5). My second suggestion
is to allocate as much memory as possible to Max. I had the impression
that after a file had played, all the memory was not freed for other
soundfiles. In my experience, after several repitions before a concert
the Mac would crash. However, if we went straight through the piece
there was no problem. Maybe (speculative bull dooky...) on the G3
everything is more efficient and faster and that makes up for the
possible problems in the memory allocation...

Try using the latest version of Max as well.

Carl

>When the truly ignorant have an emergency Max problem... I worked up a
>patch which uses Eric's AiffPlayer (+ two farily simple MIDI
patchers).  I
>used a G3, OS 8.1, Max 3.5.9, with an external HD and it worked without

>error for many (8 -10) hours at home.  I put Max 3.5.8 on my aging
Quadra
>650, OS 7.6.1, with AMII board and ported the patch to it.  It seemed
to
>work fine.... I put the unit into my installation (opening this coming
>Friday) and it played fine- for an hour or so, then it crashed with the

>message ERROR 28:  "stack has moved into application heap."  I have
tried
>changing the buffer size, eliminating extensions, redoing the patch
with
>various tweaks and it still goes boom.  I have Digi INIT2.95 installed
on
>the Q650 and will try 3.11 tomorrow but as time is running out, I beg
your
>experience!

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Date:    Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:12:23 -0000
From:    Frederic Murray 
Subject: iMac and audio/Macintouch extracts

>The big problem in need of a solution with iMac seems to have
>gone unstated: it's unknown whether the third-party USB drives
>will read copy-protected (i.e., Opcode Max) key disks. PACE doesn't
>know the answer and I don't even think the drives are shipping yet.
>Of course, if you don't have a drive, what are you going to do if
>you want to use Max? Well, I hope to have an announcement
>on this subject by the end of this coming week (which will probably
>be a small part of a much bigger announcement).

>And just to be clear, Opcode has said they will make OMS
>support MIDI interfaces over USB. But neither they, nor anyone else
>I know of, has announced any USB MIDI hardware. Is there any?

>David Z.

Thank you David for some precisions on iMac and MIDI/audio. Here is =
some
extracts from Macintouch web sit (macintouch.com  go to iMac and =
after USB )

=ABUSB MIDI products and USB speakers don't yet work on the iMac. =
Part of
the problem is that Apple's software doesn't yet support USB's =
isochronous
mode, which audio and some video devices require. Apple says it =
expects to
add isochronous support and other improvements in a new release of =
its USB
software that's scheduled for the fourth quarter of this year. Once =
that
happens, look for a slew of additional USB options.=BB

=ABGriffin Technology USB-serial adapter with MIDI support: ~$60.
Availability: fall.=BB

I think Roland is making a USB MIDI interface, but it's only for =
Windows at
this time. I don't remember where I see that...

Frederic Murray
aae052@agora.ulaval.ca

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Date:    Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:48:39 -0700
From:    dudas 
Subject: Re: Editing abstractions?

Christopher Keyes writes:
>How do you go about making a copy of an abstraction (like 'Spat_Oper')
>that will allow you to edit it?

you can protect max patches and abstractions (i.e. patchers as objects) by
holding down the option-shift keys (or something - I am not quite sure if
these are the right two keys) when you save them.  The Max manual says to
be sure to do this to a SPARE COPY of your patch because the patch will
never be able to be unlocked for use in edit mode again!!  I believe you
can only do this to patches saved in BINARY format.  you can always edit
text max files.

Some of the patches that make up Ircam's Spat (Spatializer) are protected
with this system (and a couple of other tricks, to boot!). These are
usually the modules which perform some kind of specific dsp algorithm that
has been patented.

I seem to remember that patches like 'Spat_Oper' - the perceptual parameter
control are in their original text format.  Anyway, these interface patches
should not be protected, because many users may need to create their own
reduced versions of these patches, for efficiency reasons, when they
integrate the Spat in their piece.

If user-interface or control patches in the Spat package cannot be edited,
I would suggest contacting Ircam for editable versions of these patches.

Regarding the Spat for MSP, you can contact Manuel Poletti at the usual
Forum technical support address:

forum-support@ircam.fr

For those of you who are saying "Huh? what is this dude talking about?",
please refer to the ircam website: http://www.ircam.fr/forumnet  From there
you should be able to access specific pages about the forum and the Spat.
If you have questions, please write to forum-support@ircam.fr.

-Richard

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Date:    Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:27:51 EDT
From:    RBMengMail@AOL.COM
Subject: iMac USB

In a message dated 98-08-31 00:01:30 EDT, you write:

<< And just to be clear, Opcode has said they will make OMS
 support MIDI interfaces over USB. But neither they, nor anyone else
 I know of, has announced any USB MIDI hardware. Is there any? >>

Roland has announced a USB MIDI interface with a 24 bit stereo audio
interface
to be produced by its EDIROL??? division -- or similar spelling.  Supposedly
it's available now with PC WIN95 driver's with iMAC driver's soon to follow.

I believe OPCODE also hinted at the development of a multi-port interface on
their website in the last few days, as well as announcing OMS support for
USB.
At least this was the impression I got -- worth double checking.

With Apple selling over 150,000 units in the first few weeks of release,
many
of the traditional peripheral vendors were caught napping by the sudden
demand
for USB devices.  Off to the races....

R B Meng

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Date:    Mon, 31 Aug 1998 23:00:51 +0200
From:    Oeyvind Brandtsegg 
Subject: Re: Reversing sequence in seq object

Frederic Murray wrote:

> I want to reverse a sequence in seq object (if notes is ACEGF, it becomes
> FGECA). After some research, it seem difficult... annybody have ideas or
> comments for make that?

Just an idea:
If you know how many events your sequence consists of, then you could maybe
use detonate,
send it an "nth" message followed by the number of the last event in your
sequence. You would then use a (negative) counter to set the "event number"
of the next note you want detonate to send out. The awkward thing about this
approach is that detonate will send out the cumulative time (out the
leftmost
output) instead of the delta time as it "normally" does. You'll have to
subtract the "current cumulative time" from the "previous c.t." to get the
appropriate delay before sending detonate the next "nth" message. This way
your sequence's rythm might not be the kind of "backwards" that you need,
but
you can probably get around that too, if you don't have to be ready for
playback instantly in real-time (that's if you can afford a "one event's
delta time" delay from the moment of triggering playback until the moment
playback actually starts.
Please tell me if you try it out, because I don't have the time to do so
right now.

Oeyvind Brandtsegg

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Date:    Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:42:45 U
From:    John Lamar 
Subject: Re: iMac hardware

This is not quite true.

> Correction, Opcode has just announced a USB based interface
> called "the
> DATport"
>
> which not only will have MIDI, but also digital audio i/o via
> S/PDIF
>
> http://www.opcode.com/news/press/datport_pr.html

If you read the release carefully, no mention is made of MIDI support at
all.
This is just a USB to S/PDIF interface. A useful thing, yes but not a MIDI
interface.

I'll bet we won't every see the Mac drivers until Apple upgrades the USB
software for audio.

John Lamar
Computer Systems Coordinator
Music Technology Division
Berklee College of Music
617-747-2484
jlamar@berklee.edu

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Date:    Mon, 31 Aug 1998 22:42:50 -0400
From:    David Crandall 
Subject: Re: max 2.5

Peter,

Thanks for the reply.  I'll try to move Conflict Catcher and run down the
extension thing when I can spend some serious time in front of the
computer.

Meanwhile, I notice the "type 1 error" in other contexts, such as when
TechTool goes to gather information, e.g., about the system or extensions
folder.

Do you happen to know a handy, hopefully online listing of Apple error
types?  I also get a pretty frequent type 3 error that occurs, e.g., when
I go online after the computer has been on for a long time.

thanks again,

dc

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