Subject: MAX Digest - 27 Aug 1998 to 28 Aug 1998
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There are 8 messages totalling 242 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. stretched time
  2. Max have disappeared !! (3)
  3. iMac and basic audio on MSP
  4. Fast time-stretching with MSP?
  5. 2.5.2 Error Type 1 problem, continuing saga
  6. MAX Digest - 26 Aug 1998 to 27 Aug 1998

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Date:    Thu, 27 Aug 1998 22:25:05 -0700
From:    dudas 
Subject: Re: stretched time

Lawrence Casserley writes:

>I recall Miller showing me an ISPW patch to do time stretching. I
>remember it as a pretty big patch taking up, I think, two whole boards
>(or maybe that was just one whole board). I have looked on my hard disk,
>but don't see it, but it must be knocking around at IRCAM somewhere. If
>it is only one board it might be portable to msp (else wait for the 1Gb
>G3!!).

Miller may have used a specially-written signal object to do the trick.  I
don't know. I seem to remember that there's something like this in Ph.
Manoury's "En Echo" for voice and ISPW. Could you shed some light on this,
Les?, Serge?, Miller?, Zack?

Anyway, if it works on two whole boards (4 ISPW processors) it _might_ be
possible on a G3 at 300. If it takes two ISPW processors (one board) it
will probably work on a G3 at 266, with some breathing space.

But, really, if you're going to try time stretching, I would recommend the
granular thing that Les Stuck suggested a couple of digests ago. This is
certainly the most efficient solution until 1GHz processors become the norm.

bzzt.

-Richard

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Date:    Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:29:39 -0700
From:    Les Stuck 
Subject: Re: Max have disappeared !!

Manuel Poletti 
wrote:

>I just saved the Max window (unfortunatly to my Max folder) then I quitted
>Max.When I re-opened the Max folder, Max 3.5.9 was not there anymore !!!
> 'feel a bit sick...

I understand that feeling. It seems that either you named "Max 3.5.9"
"Max"=
,
so that when you saved the Max window it overwrote the Max application;
or you did a "Save as=8A" of the Max window and named it "Max 3.5.9" so that
it overwrote the application. Otherwise, I can't repeat this problem. Can
yo=
u?

I suppose that there are several people at IRCAM who can help you look
at this. Serge Lemouton could probably figure it out in 45 seconds.

Les

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Date:    Fri, 28 Aug 1998 08:48:13 -0700
From:    Les Stuck 
Subject: Re: Max have disappeared !!

Manuel Poletti 
wrote:

>I just saved the Max window (unfortunatly to my Max folder) then I quitted
>Max.When I re-opened the Max folder, Max 3.5.9 was not there anymore !!!
> 'feel a bit sick...

I understand that feeling. It seems that either you named "Max 3.5.9"
"Max"=
,
so that when you saved the Max window it overwrote the Max application;
or you did a "Save as=8A" of the Max window and named it "Max 3.5.9" so that
it overwrote the application. Otherwise, I can't repeat this problem. Can
yo=
u?

I suppose that there are several people at IRCAM who can help you look
at this. Serge Lemouton could probably fix it in 45 seconds.

Les

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Date:    Fri, 28 Aug 1998 18:43:41 +0200
From:    muki pakesch 
Subject: Re: Max have disappeared !!

>I just saved the Max window (unfortunatly to my Max folder) then I quitted
>Max.When I re-opened the Max folder, Max 3.5.9 was not there anymore !!!

sounds like a hard disk problem
i'd de-authorize max, backup the drive and run disk-doctor over it...

cheers,
muki

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Date:    Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:10:15 -0000
From:    Frederic Murray 
Subject: iMac and basic audio on MSP

Hello,

I know that the iMac is not a perfect solution for audio but I
want to make only some basic work with MSP without sound card etc..
I also know that Opcode is planning to support iMac with MIDI.
Anybody have try the demo of MSP on a iMac? Any idea of this?

thank you

Frederic Murray
Etudiant en musique
Universite Laval, Quebec
aae052@agora.ulaval.ca

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Date:    Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:41:04 -0700
From:    jhno 
Subject: Re: Fast time-stretching with MSP?

>> Fourier is not exactly my middle name, but does that mean you could
>> preprocess (pre-fft) the entire audio file once, and then do the time
>> shifting and inverse fft in real-time without noticeable delays following
a
>> variable clock generated by conducting input, all using csound on
something
>> like a PowerMac G3/333?

why not just use a windowed granular system for time stretching, like every
other software/hardware tool? i think it is much less demanding, cpu-wise.

what is the difference, in qualitative sound, between fft-stretched audio
and time-window-stretched audio? I don't think i have ever heard the fft
flavor...

curious -
jhno

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Date:    Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:04:52 -0400
From:    David Crandall 
Subject: Re: 2.5.2 Error Type 1 problem, continuing saga

On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, David Crandall wrote:

> On Tue, 18 Aug 1998, Peter Elsea wrote:
>
> > (In response to my earlier question:
> >
> > >I know this is ancient software, but having recently upgraded sys 7.5.3
to
> > >7.6.1 and added a lot of memory, I tried to start Max 2.5.2 only to
have
> > >"application 'unknown' unexpectedly quit, error type 1" happen before
the
> > >app opened up.
> >
> > I lost a 2.5 install this way. The copy protector arfed at you because
you
> > increased your memory. Try pulling the memory and deinstalling MAX, then
> > putting the memory back and reinstalling.
>
> Well, I tried this and while I *was* able to deinstall Max witht the
> memory pulled, when I reinstalled the memory and went to reinstall Max,
> the installer on the floppy still quits with "unexpectedly quit, error
> type 1"  On the other hand, I *do* see "Max 2.5.2" appear in the menubar
> before this happens, but the splash screen doesn't appear.
>
> again: PM 7600/132, Sys. 7.6.1, 96MB memory

further adventures: restarted with extensions off, installed 2.5.2 OK, but
when extensions are back on, Max dies, error type 1.

If I start up with no extensions (holding shift key) Max does start up OK,
but if I start using Conflict Catcher with "disable all startup files" in
place it bites the dust again, still error type 1.

At least now the system knows that "Max2.5.2" is the application that
unexpectedly quit.

Does anyone know what is going on?  I had CC on the computer running fine
before the system/memory upgrade.

dc

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Date:    Fri, 28 Aug 1998 20:38:29 -0500
From:    Jon Witte 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 26 Aug 1998 to 27 Aug 1998

Hello maxers

Check out the new search utilities for the Max Archive.

http://www2.cybernex.net/~jonwitte/max/welcome.html

The search utilities are Java applets, so you will need a java enabled
browser.
I'm using Netscape Communicator 4.0.4 and it seems to work fine.
Let me know what you think.

Jon
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http://www2.cybernex.net/~jonwitte/
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