Subject: MAX Digest - 20 Aug 1998 to 21 Aug 1998
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:00:00 -0400
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Topics of the day:

  1. First ever (2)
  2. MAX Digest - 19 Aug 1998 to 20 Aug 1998
  3. First ever?
  4. vst~parameter values
  5. CD object
  6. bomb in fullscreen modus
  7. Question+Performance

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Date:    Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:36:55 -0700
From:    Les Stuck 
Subject: Re: First ever

Well, Butch wins hands down for MSP. Congratulations!

I'm pretty sure the first use of Max in performance was the premiere of
Philippe Manoury's "Jupiter" (1987), Max being used to send MIDI to the
great 4X, with MSP himself on mouse.


Date:    Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:32:06 -0700
From:    Richard Zvonar 
Subject: Re: First ever

At 9:36 PM -0700 08/20/98, Les Stuck wrote:

>I'm pretty sure the first use of Max in performance was the premiere of
>Philippe Manoury's "Jupiter" (1987), Max being used to send MIDI to the
>great 4X, with MSP himself on mouse.

Of course in those days I expect Max was called "the Patcher".

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Date:    Fri, 21 Aug 1998 02:11:19 -0700
From:    Jim Wood 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 19 Aug 1998 to 20 Aug 1998

> Date:    Thu, 20 Aug 1998 07:50:23 +0200
> From:    Martin Grube 
> Subject: Problem with MAX/MSP after crash

> >>After several crashes with Max/MSP I got a bunch
of error messages at
> >>startup and some icons of the UI objects at the
top of the patchers were=3D
> >
> >
I also had this exact same problem on the same day.

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Date:    Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:40:18 +0200
From:    Peter Castine 
Subject: Re: First ever?

On Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:24:13 -0000 Nick Rothwell wrote:
>So what about the earliest use of MAX itself in performance? I used it
>on stage in the Spring of 1992, but I'm sure others will beat that...

Cort Lippe used Max in his contribution to the 6=F65k Project performed as
the "Summertime" (from 2:00 am to 2:00 am) closing extravaganza on
Sunday, 25 Sept. 1988, part of the wierd and wonderous 1988 ICMC.

Certainly not the first performace, but that at least gets us into the
correct decade. I'm trying to remember if Risset performed his 8 sketches
that year or not. Interstingly, although Miller had papers earlier than
1988 referring to "Max" (which was a text-only forerunner of OFP), the
1988 ICMC paper refers to "The Patcher." But this was essentially the
first sort-of-stable graphical version of Max. So, I think the year 1988
is probably correct for "first Max performance."

And, yes, the performance times given in the first paragraph are correct
as they stand. The performance lasted one hour.



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Date:    Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:04:04 +0200
From:    karl kliem 
Subject: Re: vst~parameter values

>>is there a way to get the current parameter values of a program that has
>>been loaded into a vst~ object ?

>No there isn't. Thanks for pointing this out. I've attached a new
>vst~ object that accepts a "get N" message where N is a parameter
>index between 1 and the number of parameters.
>It also fixes a bug in the object's outlet assistance.
>Let me know if this solution is acceptable.
>David Z.

this i call support. thanksalot.
if anyone is interested in the updated vst~ object, just send an email.



Date:    Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:46:08 +0200
From:    Jeffrey Burns 
Subject: CD object

Thank God for the CD object!

Just one little problem. I'm trying to use the ATAPI drive and my Teac
CD-R55S burner to play 2 CD's from 2 CD objects at the same time. However,
the CD burner, which doesn't use the Apple CD driver but, rather, the Toast
CD Mounter, can only be accesed by the SCSI ID 0 in the CD object,
regardless of what SCSI ID the burner is set to. So the moment I put an
audio CD into the burner with the Toast CD Mounter installed, the CD object
forgets about what is in the G3's internal CD drive, the SCSI ID 0 being
already used by the burner. Any way to get around this???


Jeff Burns


Date:    Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:10:52 -0700
From:    jhno 
Subject: Re: bomb in fullscreen modus

>i want to use the bomb object for an interactive installation piece but=20
>cant use it in full screen modus (640x480).=20

you can increase the pixel size with an argument to the bomb object... try
typing "bomb 2" or "bomb 3" into an object box and you will see what i

coming soon: a sonification of the bomb pixelmap via msp...


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Date:    Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:43:38 +1000
From:    Garth Paine 
Subject: Question+Performance

Hi all,

Thanks for the info about the CD-Object people sent me - I think I was at
SIGGRAPH at the time David Z anounced the new version and probably didn't
read my email properly.

I have another question to ask though.  When making an application of my
MAX collectives the is the Creator ID, which as we know is usually MAX2 or
somthing like that - I one tried chaning this in MAX 3 to my own ID, and
the app. wouldn't work.  So I use ResEdit to change the ID now and that
works fine.  The question is, can I change the ID in the compiler window to
save the extra ResEdit step and what is associated with doing that, and if
I can't change it there, why is it a variable?

I thought some of you might be interested to know I have just finished
composing a score for a dance piece "Escape Velocity" for Company in Space
- on the front of this weeks IT section of the Age.  Some of the score is
interactive - controlled by video sensing of the choreography using the
Very Nervous System - MAX is used extensively to run the show.  The score
is electroacoustic, some of it realtime as outlined above.  Multispeaker
dispersion and all.

Performances are at the OZ Opera Centre Studios, 35 City Rd,
Melbourne,Australia  Preview Friday 21 8Pm, and performances on Sat 22 8pm,
Sun 23 5, 8 pm and tues 25 to Sat 29 at 8pm everyday.

Come and check it out - interactive video etc and lots of laser lights !!!!

We will also be at the Downloading Downunder Festival, Monivideo, Amsterdam
in the first week of September, so anyone interested in that part of the
world can see the show to.



See information about my new immersive interactive sound installation at

<<  ><  >>
. Composer, Sound Designer
.. Interactives Designer
... Interactive Installation Artist
.... Exhibition Consultant
<<  ><  >>


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