Subject: MAX Digest - 19 Aug 1998 to 20 Aug 1998
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There are 18 messages totalling 470 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Problem with MAX/MSP after crash (3)
  2. mpwbuddy
  3. repositioning
  4. Writing MSP externals that send messages to oulets (2)
  5. First ever? (3)
  6. CD Object (2)
  7. MSP after crash (icons missing)
  8. Problem with MAX/MSP after crash (again)
  9. vst~ parameter values
 10. bomb in fullscreen modus (2)
 11. call 4 works

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Date:    Thu, 20 Aug 1998 07:50:23 +0200
From:    Martin Grube 
Subject: Problem with MAX/MSP after crash

>
>Date:    Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:24:11 -0400
>From:    Stephen Kay 
>Subject: Problem with MAX/MSP after crash
>
>>After several crashes with Max/MSP I got a bunch of error messages at
>>startup and some icons of the UI objects at the top of the patchers
were=3D
>
>>missing. Also a backup copy din't work.
>
>If the error messages contain stuff about resources, then your problem
>is likely that you need to empty the trash, because too many max temp
>files are in there (I can't remember if David fixed this in 3.5.9 or
>not).  When you crash Max, the temporary resource file remains in the =3D
>
>trash instead of being disposed when you quit the program normally.
>
>Stephen Kay
>

I emptied the trash, but it still doesn't work. When launching Max, there
are no error messages. But in a new patcher window the icons of the UI
objects in the startup folder don't show and in addition I can't draw any
patchcord. And here's some of the error messages I get when opening a
Patcher. Also the MegaMax objects become affected. The amount of hd space
they occupy increases each time having launched max.

=80 error: <3D_Text_Button>: 'MENU'
=80 error: <3D_Text_Button>: 'MENU'
=80 error: <3D_Text_Button>: 'MENU'
=80 error: <3D_Text_Button>: 'MENU'
=80 error: <3D_Text_Button>: 'MENU'
=80 error: <3D_Text_Button>: 'MENU'
=80 error: <3D_Text_Button>: 'MENU'
=80 error: <3D_Text_Button>: 'MENU'
=80 error: <3D_Text_Button>: 'MENU'
=80 error: <3D_Text_Button>: 'MENU'
=80 error: <3D_Pict_Button>: 'MENU'
=80 error: <3D_Pict_Button>: 'MENU'
=80 error: <3D_Pict_Button>: PICT Resources not located.
---------------collX v1.3 by Stephen Kay---------------
-------------sysBeep v2.6 by Stephen Kay--------------
-----=A91995-1998 MusiKinetix - All Rights Reserved-----

There are things going on I don't understand.

Martin Grube

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Date:    Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:43:30 -0700
From:    Philip Aker 
Subject: mpwbuddy

It look like the CodeWarrior11 compilers as well as MrC, MrCpp,
PPCAsm, and some other ones for use with MPW are available at:

http://developer.apple.com/dev/tools/mpw-tools/compilers/

CW11 is in the directory:

mrc.html

*

I'm not using the version of MPW available at the Apple
website, but an earlier release that comes with CWPro3. I've
managed to to create a "makefile" which compiles buddy.c for
68K from David's example in MaxPPCDevA4.sit but am having a
little trouble cueing Rez/MWLink68K to copy the 'STR#' resource
to the output file. Part of the problem is that the example for
code resource from the CodeWarrior CD is wrong (it's for
another file!), but mostly I don't know exactly what the
compiler / linker / Rez options should be. I don't think I
could get to the PPC or FAT stage unless I get the 68K version
working.

It seems like the most expedient solution would be to get
CodeWarrior to save the compiler options to a text file. I
wonder if this is possible as there are many advantages to
using the MPW environment. If anyone of a CW plugin that can do
this I'd appreciate knowing.

TIA,

Philip

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Date:    Thu, 20 Aug 1998 04:15:53 -0400
From:    Nicholas Longo <71477.2332@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: Re: repositioning

<
Subject: Re: Writing MSP externals that send messages to oulets

Todor Todoroff  writes:

>Everything works fine (I found a fft algorithm)... if I don't output the
>lists of frequencies, levels and weights!

I recommend setting a clock in the perform routine, i.e., clock_delay
with an argument of 0. The output the stuff in the clock routine.
This is what objects such as meter~ and shapshot~ do.

David Z.

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Date:    Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:32:48 -0700
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: Re: First ever?

Here's another contender for the first concert with MSP.

Peter Elsea may have beaten Butch by a few days,
but since I don't know the exact date of this concert, it's
still unclear. I should probably also mention that Butch used a Powerbook
5300 running at 22kHz(!) and that he was the first paying MSP customer.

>Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 21:33:32 +0100 (MET)
>From: Joseph.Butch.Rovan@ircam.fr (Joseph butch Rovan)
>To: zicarell@scruznet.com
>Subject: on the road...
>
>Hi David,
>I just got back from Genova--the concert went great, and msp worked
>perfectly.

David Z.

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Date:    Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:21:25 -0700
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: Re: CD Object

Garth Paine  writes:

>Clearly no one is interested in non SCSI CD-ROM problems, or I missed the
>responces to my last post.  I need to find a solution to dealing with the
>CD-ROM drives Apple are placing in their PPC machines.  The APAT style
>drive doesn't respond to the CD object - I have noticed others talking
>about this problem re the G3 Powerbook etc - any solutions on the horizon?

Please refer to the Cycling '74 News page at

http://www.cycling74.com/support/news.html

where a version of the cd object that is compatible with non-SCSI drives
is available. I announced this long-awaited update a while ago
on the list. Apparently you weren't interested then, or you missed it.

David Z.

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Date:    Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:45:03 +0200
From:    Roland Cahen & Ruth Sefton-Green 
Subject: MSP after crash (icons missing)

>Date:    Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:52:07 +0200
>From:    Martin Grube 
>Subject: Problem with MAX/MSP after crash
>
>After several crashes with Max/MSP I got a bunch of error messages at
>startup and some icons of the UI objects at the top of the patchers were
>missing. Also a backup copy din't work.

If Stephen Kay's advice isn't enough, get rid of the max preferences :
(system folder/ preference/ max preferences)
don't forget to write down your "file preference" content
(if you're not shure to remenber it)
Roland Cahen

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Date:    Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:16:44 +0200
From:    Martin Grube 
Subject: Problem with MAX/MSP after crash (again)

After several installation procedure (and de-/re-authorization) it works
again!
But I don't have any idea what's happend. And there's one thing that still
isn't fine: when clicking into the =8Cmore objects=B9 arrow in a max
patcher,
the icons are missing. There are only blank squares appearing. The other
object icons drawn at the top of the patcher are ok.

MSP Bug ???
When sending an open message to a sfplay~ object while audio is still
playing the computer freezes
(Mac OS 8.1)
If this happens several times (e.g. caused by a bug in a patcher) you'll
probably get lost of your Max/MSP application and it can cost you hours and
sleepless nights until it works again.

Martin Grube
martingrube@csi.com

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Date:    Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:24:13 -0000
From:    Nick Rothwell 
Subject: Re: First ever?

So what about the earliest use of MAX itself in performance? I used it
on stage in the Spring of 1992, but I'm sure others will beat that...

--
        Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL            contemporary dance projects
        http://www.cassiel.com            music synthesis and control

  "Welcome to Moscow, Mrs. Gandhi."  -- Leonid Brezhnev to Margaret Thatcher

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Date:    Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:45:33 +0200
From:    karl kliem 
Subject: Re: CD Object

did you try http://www.cycling74.com/news/ ?

Download a beta version of the new MAX cd object by clicking here
( http://www.cycling74.com/ftp/cd.bin ).
This  version supports the ATAPI CD-ROM drives in PowerMac G3 and newer
Powerbooks, as well as multiple CD-ROM drives. If you have both a SCSI
and an ATAPI drive, specify the ATAPI drive with an argument of 0. You
can also use the "first" to "sixth" keyword arguments. The ATAPI drive
should be first, although this hasn't been rigorously tested.

kk

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Date:    Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:18:44 +0200
From:    karl kliem 
Subject: vst~ parameter values

is there a way to get the current parameter values of a program that has
been loaded into a vst~ object ?

kk

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Date:    Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:29:47 -0700
From:    Peter Elsea 
Subject: Problem with MAX/MSP after crash

>After several crashes with Max/MSP I got a bunch of error messages at
>startup and some icons of the UI objects at the top of the patchers were
>missing. Also a backup copy din't work.

>If the error messages contain stuff about resources, then your problem
>is likely that you need to empty the trash, because too many max temp
>files are in there

Also: You didn't mention sound cards, but if you are using the digidesign
card, you should boot without extensions and delete the digi setup file.

Peter Elsea
Electronic Music Studios
University of California, Santa Cruz
http://arts.ucsc.edu/EMS/Music/index.html
 elsea@cats.ucsc.edu

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Date:    Thu, 20 Aug 1998 18:43:13 +0100
From:    Todor Todoroff 
Subject: Re: Writing MSP externals that send messages to oulets

Peter,
Thanks for the sugestion:
>Writing MSP externals that send messages to oulets:
>>Everything works fine (I found a fft algorithm)... if I don't output the
>>lists of frequencies, levels and weights!
>
>Try a polling scheme- update your data in an internal location, and dump
>the data in response to a requet message. Then send the request at a
>managable rate.
I thought of sending a "bang" when data is ready and using that bang to send
back a specific message to the input of the module to send the lists. I will
try it, but I would prefer some more elegant solution if there is...

Todor

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Date:    Thu, 20 Aug 1998 10:39:14 -0700
From:    Richard Zvonar 
Subject: Re: First ever?

At 2:24 AM -0700 08/20/98, Nick Rothwell wrote:
>So what about the earliest use of MAX itself in performance? I used it
>on stage in the Spring of 1992, but I'm sure others will beat that...

My own first use of Max was in spring of 1989, but there were performances
in 1988 and possibly earlier, especially at IRCAM where Max was developed.

______________________________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD                              zvonar@LCSaudio.com
(818) 788-2202 voice                             zvonar@well.com
(818) 788-2203 fax                               zvonar@alum.mit.edu

                          http://www.well.com/~zvonar

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Date:    Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:16:41 -0400
From:    Stephen Kay 
Subject: Problem with MAX/MSP after crash

Hi Martin,

>Also the MegaMax objects become affected. The amount of hd space
>they occupy increases each time having launched max.

I would suggest reinstalling the MegaMAX Collection.  This is
definitely a bug related to Max, not MegaMAX.  It does
have to do with the problem I mentioned concerning the trash
and resources, so:

-always empty the trash before starting Max after a crash.
-throw away the Max Preferences file if there are other
problems.

I had the same problem as you one time (no object icons in the
part of the patcher menu with the arrow) but I cannot remember
how I fixed it.  It also is related to the trash/resource
problem I believe.

Hope this helps,
Stephen Kay

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Date:    Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:44:52 +0200
From:    Michael Kieslinger 
Subject: bomb in fullscreen modus

hello maxers,=20
=20
i want to use the bomb object for an interactive installation piece but=20
cant use it in full screen modus (640x480).=20
if i use the "fullscreen" command the background color is set to a=20
fixed color but the bomb-window doesn=B4t increase.=20
does anybody know how to get a full screen bomb window. =20
=20
thanks, michael kieslinger=20

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Date:    Thu, 20 Aug 1998 21:28:42 -0400
From:    Stephen Kay 
Subject: bomb in fullscreen modus

>if i use the "fullscreen" command the background color is set to a =

>fixed color but the bomb-window doesn't increase. =

>does anybody know how to get a full screen bomb window.  =

 =

That is, unfortunately, the current full screen mode, as far
as I know.

Stephen Kay

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Date:    Thu, 20 Aug 1998 22:56:20 EDT
From:    "SETA,MICHAL,MR" 
Subject: Re: call 4 works

>
>From:    jmustard@CYLLENE.UWA.EDU.AU
>Subject: call 4 scores
>
>Dear MAXers,
>
>Get your work performed "down under" in the land of OZ! (Australia for
>the uninitiated)
>

Any dates?

<------------>
  Michal Seta

          http://www.geocities.com/vienna/1257/
                                   <~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>

  Wagner has good moments but bad quarter-hours.
                                              Rossini
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