Subject: MAX Digest - 18 Aug 1998 to 19 Aug 1998
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 00:00:00 -0400
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There are 7 messages totalling 211 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. 09x7;97
  2. Repositioning
  3. CD Object
  4. call 4 scores
  5. First ever?
  6. Problem with MAX/MSP after crash (2)

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Date:    Tue, 18 Aug 1998 23:59:02 -0600
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: 09x7;97

>CW lite version 3 won't open the template- In fact real CodeWorrior won't
>either. The templates are several versions out of date and have to be run
>through CW IDE 1.7 (That's version 10 or 11) before the IDE 2 project
>convertor will work on them. As a public service, I've posted converted
>versions of both templates at
>I won't claim C programming is easy ( it is for some, and musicians
>generally pick it up pretty fast.), but building Max externals is fun and

CW IDE 1.7 !nkludd !n cw pro


Date:    Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:52:41 +0200
From:    Roland Cahen & Ruth Sefton-Green 
Subject: Repositioning

>From:    "Britt H. Myers" 
>I find that I get my patch working fine-- every object seems to be in the
>position-- and then I'll save, close the patch, and immediately reopen it
>surprise!-- it doesn't work.  It is really strange.  I don't alter it at
>yet it suddenly stops working right.
It could be only because you don't re-initialize it properly when open.
Several techniques such as message boxes and lodbang, sends on lodbang
can solve lots of this kind of problems.

I came across something bizarre several times.
Patches which work, won't open again properly,
especially with objects like ichi objects.
They come back with their cords all mixed up
even if all the components are in the right place.


Date:    Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:55:56 +1000
From:    Garth Paine 
Subject: CD Object

Clearly no one is interested in non SCSI CD-ROM problems, or I missed the
responces to my last post.  I need to find a solution to dealing with the
CD-ROM drives Apple are placing in their PPC machines.  The APAT style
drive doesn't respond to the CD object - I have noticed others talking
about this problem re the G3 Powerbook etc - any solutions on the horizon?



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Date:    Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:34:46 +0800
From:    jmustard@CYLLENE.UWA.EDU.AU
Subject: call 4 scores

Dear MAXers,

Get your work performed "down under" in the land of OZ! (Australia for
the uninitiated)

I am particularly interested in live interactive works that utilise some
or all (god=92elpme) of the following resources.

Power Mac 7200 (RAM enough I think =96 56MB)
(Modem Printer)
MAX (V3.0) (No MSP yet I=92m afraid - sounds like a food additive anyway:=
Various sampling software.
(Roland) Sound Canvas
(Roland) Orchestral Module M-OC1
2 x Yamaha TX81Zs (still goin=92 strong)
"Dumb" midi keyboard (for triggering purposes only =96 don=92t ask me to
PLAY it).
ICUBE  - basic sensor kit =96 two light sensors, pressure, thermal,
proximity (a bit dicky), access to more pressure type sensors =96 about
three of them =96 access to "Far Reach" ultrasound sensor, 5m of extensio=
lead for up to 5 sensors.
General audio playback and recording gear =96 home studio qual. =96 acces=
to better.
And lastly not leastly
Flute and Alto sax (preferably not at the same time) ie 1 player.

If you have nothing for this combo, but have suggestions for sourcing
above =96 please reply.

If you have something =96 please send me - info about the piece, about
you, the piece itself if emailable.

Jonathan Mustard
Composer / performer etc . . .

P.S. Thanks to all those who responded to my ?'s about the "snd" object
- I couldn'y have done it without you. The installation "CAVE" was a big
hit at UWA.


Date:    Wed, 19 Aug 1998 12:15:56 -0700
From:    Peter Elsea 
Subject: First ever?

>anyone else want to join the contenders? we'd better get this straight
>before the historians say that bill gates did it first.

Well, I did a demonstration piece and an adaptation of "I am sitting in a
room" at a UCSC concert in November, while msp was still in beta. David Z
was there, as well as some other list members. Bill Gates was not.

Writing MSP externals that send messages to oulets:
>Everything works fine (I found a fft algorithm)... if I don't output the
>lists of frequencies, levels and weights!

Try a polling scheme- update your data in an internal location, and dump
the data in response to a requet message. Then send the request at a
managable rate.

Peter Elsea
Electronic Music Studios
University of California, Santa Cruz


Date:    Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:52:07 +0200
From:    Martin Grube 
Subject: Problem with MAX/MSP after crash

After several crashes with Max/MSP I got a bunch of error messages at
startup and some icons of the UI objects at the top of the patchers were
missing. Also a backup copy din't work.
I'm running Max 3.5.9 with MSP Rel. 5 on a G3/233.
I re-installed Max from the cd and MSP, but it was the same effect. Finally
I removed and re-installed the hd authorization, but it still doesn't work.
I can open and run a patcher, but I can't do any editing because I don't get
patch cords.
What I don't understand is that I didn't have to type in my MSP
authorization code after reinstalling all. I had a similar problem before
authorizing MSP, but all worked fine after reinstallation of Max and MSP.
I hope someone could help me with this,



Date:    Wed, 19 Aug 1998 21:24:11 -0400
From:    Stephen Kay 
Subject: Problem with MAX/MSP after crash

>After several crashes with Max/MSP I got a bunch of error messages at
>startup and some icons of the UI objects at the top of the patchers were=

>missing. Also a backup copy din't work.

If the error messages contain stuff about resources, then your problem
is likely that you need to empty the trash, because too many max temp
files are in there (I can't remember if David fixed this in 3.5.9 or
not).  When you crash Max, the temporary resource file remains in the =

trash instead of being disposed when you quit the program normally.

Stephen Kay


End of MAX Digest - 18 Aug 1998 to 19 Aug 1998