Subject: MAX Digest - 16 Aug 1998 to 17 Aug 1998
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There are 8 messages totalling 234 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. positioning
  2. positioning of objects
  3. MAX Digest
  4. detonate read error
  5. What's the deal
  6. Question about MSP (2)
  7. Max 2.5.2 problem

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Date:    Mon, 17 Aug 1998 00:59:34 EDT
From:    "Britt H. Myers" 
Subject: positioning

Someone help me with the positioning of objects.

I find that I get my patch working fine-- every object seems to be in the
proper
position-- and then I'll save, close the patch, and immediately reopen it
and--
surprise!-- it doesn't work.  It is really strange.  I don't alter it at
all,
yet it suddenly stops working right.

Furthermore, if someone could give me a good explanation of how positioning
works in Max-- I know about the right-left, top-bottom stuff, but how does
this
work between patchers (i.e. with the patcher object)?  I'm sure there are a
bunch of little details that I'm missing or objects that aren't completely
consistent with the Max canon.

Thanks a bunch!

Britt

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Date:    Mon, 17 Aug 1998 01:23:51 -0400
From:    Stephen Kay 
Subject: positioning of objects

>I find that I get my patch working fine-- every object seems to be in th=
e
proper
>position-- and then I'll save, close the patch, and immediately reopen i=
t
and--
>surprise!-- it doesn't work.  It is really strange.  I don't alter it at=

all,
>yet it suddenly stops working right.
>Britt Meyers

You should not rely on the right to left, top to bottom type stuff.  Even=

the author of Max has acknowledged that this doesn't always work.

Become acquainted with the trigger object.  Know it, love it, use it;
it is your friend.  Use it to make sure that the order of things happen
exactly as you intend, regardless of positioning.

One other thing - it may be just me, but all your messages come across
to me as things I cannot read, but which go to my download folder in
binary format.  If I make the extra effort to open them, then I can
read them.  Do you have some sort of default "send as html" or other
such thing set in your e-mailer?

Regards,
Stephen Kay

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Date:    Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:45:21 +0200
From:    Philippe Lange 
Subject: MAX Digest

Since 18 month, I receive the Max list.

How can I write into the list ?

Thanks for help,

Philippe

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Date:    Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:05:55 +0200
From:    Oeyvind Brandtsegg 
Subject: detonate read error

When trying to make detonate read a midifile, I get a "trying to read
header past end" printed in the max window. The file is read into
detonate, but some information has been lost.

Any help appreciated.

Oeyvind Brandsegg
mailto:obrandts@online.no

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Date:    Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:29:58 -0400
From:    Nicholas Longo <71477.2332@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: Re: What's the deal

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Subject: Re: Question about MSP

The sounds in this installation, as I remember it, were the acoustic
vibrations from the mechanical devices, picked up by piezoelectric contact
mics, and signal-processed through about 50 resonant filters.  The servos
were controlled by an interface from STEIM. I don't know if it was a closed
loop, i.e. if the sounds affected the servos.

MSP's adc~ object gives access to the audio input to the Mac's internal
converters or those on many sound cards.

It would be quite possible to use MSP to implement the other approach you
mentioned, since there are threshold-crossing detector objects, triggerable
envelopes, and software oscillators.

>Date:    Sat, 15 Aug 1998 16:39:34 -0700
>From:    Keay 
>Subject: Question about MSP
>
>Hello's,
>  I have a question about something I saw at CNMAT back in March in
>demonstrating some of MSP's capabilities. There was a young woman with
>purple hair who had constructed a sound generating system using RC
>servos and a cymbal.  Contact mic's attached to the cymbal picked up
>the sounds made by the servos scratching and impacting the cymbal.
>Then the sounds were somehow processed via MSP to make wholely
>different kinds of sounds.
>  What is happening here?  The sound are taken in through somekind
>input object and the are they used to trigger Software oscillators or
>are the sounds processed through somekind software DSP effects?
>  I'm just looking for a basic outline for an answer.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Keay@hooked.net
>SJSU School of Art & design
>

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Date:    Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:23:20 -0700
From:    Christopher Dobrian 
Subject: Re: Question about MSP

keay@HOOKED.NET wrote:

>I have a question about something I saw at CNMAT back in March in
>demonstrating some of MSP's capabilities. There was a young woman with
>purple hair who had constructed a sound generating system using RC
>servos and a cymbal.  Contact mic's attached to the cymbal picked up
>the sounds made by the servos scratching and impacting the cymbal.
>Then the sounds were somehow processed via MSP to make wholely
>different kinds of sounds.
>  What is happening here?  The sound are taken in through somekind
>input object and the are they used to trigger Software oscillators or
>are the sounds processed through somekind software DSP effects?

The "young woman with purple hair" must have been Laetitia Sonami. The
piece you're referring to may be the first-ever all-MSP piece, and was
performed at UC Irvine in February. She uses a MIDI fader box to send
control info to Max, which in turn sends messages to drive servo motors,
which move and make noises on the cymbals. The cymbals are miked and the
sound from the cymbals is sent back into the Mac, processed by MSP (mostly
reson~ and comb~, I think), and sent out to the public address system.
Sounded great.

--Chris

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             Christopher Dobrian / School of the Arts - Music
             University of California / Irvine, CA 92697-2775
                Phone: (949) 824-7288 / Fax: (949) 824-4914
                      http://www.arts.uci.edu/dobrian/

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Date:    Mon, 17 Aug 1998 17:36:23 -0400
From:    David Crandall 
Subject: Max 2.5.2 problem

I know this is ancient software, but having recently upgraded sys 7.5.3 to
7.6.1 and added a lot of memory, I tried to start Max 2.5.2 only to have
"application 'unknown' unexpectedly quit, error type 1" happen before the
app opened up. No splash screen, no nothing.  Restarted the computer, and
trying to use my install disk to check whether it was a lost install, the
same message appeared before that app (from the floppy) opened as well.
Checked for more recent Max-type apps and didn't find any.  I do have
Mody, but that seems to have its own identifiers... but I did notice that
when I write a preset file out of Mody, it turns up as a Max 2.5.2
document...

Any insights?

dc

ps - my ISP is upgrading software this evening, so if posts bounce (they
shouldn't), just bounce them back in the morning...

thanks

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