Subject: MAX Digest - 6 Aug 1998 to 7 Aug 1998
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There are 12 messages totalling 360 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. x09;8698
  2. What do they teach kids at school nowadays
  3. menubar and standalone applications.
  4. floats' displayed precision?
  5. snd and umenu
  6. Floor sensors
  7. umenu weirdness
  8. Can I have these please ? (2)
  9. Korg converters etc.
 10. serial object and ascii code
 11. collX Update

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Date:    Fri, 7 Aug 1998 01:48:41 -0600
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: x09;8698

>From:    Jim Wood 
>Question;
>When you send a Fullscreen comand to a thispatcher
>object, why does it shove everything to the top left.

= log!kl

>Is there a way of preventing this?
>JimY.W
>__________

sntr w!ndou

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Date:    Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:33:41 +0100
From:    Trond & Laila Linde Lossius 
Subject: Re: What do they teach kids at school nowadays

>Current muttering something to himself about "what do they teach kids
at
>school nowadays?"

Before we dive into another flam session I'd like to quote a danish
standup-comedian:

What did you learn at school today, dear little friend of mine (...)
I learned that if you're a virgin you get to heaven,
but in Sweden it's hard to find one passed eleven.

;-) Trond L

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Date:    Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:33:58 +0100
From:    Trond & Laila Linde Lossius 
Subject: Re: menubar and standalone applications.

Thanks to Stephen Kay and David Z. for help on the menubar. Just for the
curiosity:

>And while I'm on the subject, here are two new secret messages
>to Max that you might find amusing. They work in 3.5.9 if not
>earlier versions:
>
>; max paths
>; max externs

What do they do?

Cheers!

Trond L.

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Date:    Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:34:23 +0100
From:    Trond & Laila Linde Lossius 
Subject: Re: floats' displayed precision?

Thu, 6 Aug. 1998 Burton Alexandre wrote

>So my question, more direct (i admit my original post was a little on
>the vague side): how does one cope with the fact Max does not deal
>elegantly with (decimal) string representation *and* does not provide a

>formatting function? I'd really like to see 18.8.

Assuming that you only want the number displayed, not used actively for
typing in numbers, here is a (not to elegant) solution:

max v2;
#N vpatcher 101 69 501 369;
#P message 89 210 50 196617 11 . 8;
#P hidden message 89 177 58 196617 set \$1 . \$2;
#P hidden newex 89 152 45 196617 pack 0 0;
#P hidden newex 142 120 32 196617 % 10;
#P hidden newex 89 120 29 196617 / 10;
#P hidden newex 89 93 105 196617 expr ($f1*10.0)+0.5;
#P flonum 89 69 119 9 0 0 0 3;
#P hidden connect 0 0 1 0;
#P hidden connect 1 0 2 0;
#P hidden fasten 1 0 3 0 94 115 147 115;
#P hidden connect 2 0 4 0;
#P hidden fasten 3 0 4 1 147 148 129 148;
#P hidden connect 4 0 5 0;
#P hidden connect 5 0 6 0;
#P pop;

If you could get rid of the spaces before and after the dot, it would
look better.

Trond L.

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Date:    Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:53:23 -0400
From:    muhenry 
Subject: snd and umenu

For Jmustard, I think the problem might be with your samples rather than
the snd object- check to see if your samples are all of one kind, i.e.
sample
rate, 8 or 16 bit stereo or mono.

About the umenu problem,  my experiance has been that you can tyope long
texts and edit them UNTIL you save the whole patch. After that, text edits
cause entire paragraphs to dissappear!

cheers, Otto

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Date:    Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:35:19 -0400
From:    David Crandall 
Subject: Floor sensors

After agonizing over sonar sensors, piezoelectric film etc. and what-all,
I think what I really am looking for are good old-fashioned rubber
floor-pad switches like you used to see at the doors of supermarkets
(before motion detectors came in).

There are so many issues to resolve with the piece I'm working on that I
really want just the simplest/cheapest solution for the floor sensors.
The trouble is that so many of the sources I look at for sensors are
concentrating on higher-tech stuff that I'm not seeing the older items.
(It would help if I knew the proper engineering term for what I'm looking
for)  Anyone know of a source for this kind of switch-pad (even an ancient
A & P being torn down in the 'hood), or are they just lost in the mists of
time?

dc

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Date:    Fri, 7 Aug 1998 13:25:26 -0000
From:    David Bianciardi 
Subject: Re: umenu weirdness

On 8/5/98 3:59 AM, various list folk wrote:

>Has anyone experienced strange behavior using "umenu"?
>
>I've had entered items not appear at all, disappear after I've edited
>other items, & the whole damn program disappear when using it. I mean
>REALLY disappear! no error type XX or freezes - just POOF!
>jmw

>I don't know what causes this
>Oeyvind

>Yes, I've also had problems.  But make sure that the "number of items"
>field is set correctly.  If you have it set to 64 and enter more items,
>weird behaviour is sure to result.
>Stephen Kay

I think stephen has the "disappearing items" issue pretty much
nailed...we also dealt with this by editing the contents manually.

as far as the other behaviour, we saw a bunch of this freezing in the
last max project I worked on, when the umenu was automatically populated
via omsinfo.  somewhere I have a "bug report" patch, which can
consistently (as I recall) freeze (requiring hard power cycle) a 9600, a
G3, a Starmax, and a 9650 workgroup server.  3.5.9, OS 8

very simple patch if anyone wants to see it.  what we never got around to
doing was checking if there were "illegal" characters in the OMS setup
names that were not getting properly "escaped" by OMSinfo.  does this
make sense?

regards,

David Bianciardi
tech@idrc.com

212.353.9087
212.353.3947 fax
______________________________________________
IDRC || 415 Lafayette St || NYC, NY 10003-7000

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Date:    Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:27:47 EDT
From:    JohnBrit@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Can I have these please ?

Having just spent a few months on another maxap, I have a few requests fo=
r=0Afuture consideration.

1. Preset object to output a bang or a number (0 ?) from the middle outle=
t=0Awhen a preset file is read in from disc (like col).

2. Col to output a bang from right outlet when a write dialog box is clos=
ed so=0Athat an action can be taken after the write operation is complete=
d.

3. Yellow triangle not to highlight in number box if the window is inacti=
ve or=0A(even better) up / down arrow keys to work on highlighted number =
box even if=0Athe window containing it is inactive. (This drives me insan=
e !!! Here I am=0Atrying to inc / dec a highlighted number box and I=92m =
changing the value of the=0Alast highlighted number box in the active win=
dow. Infuriating.....)

4. A listing of messages to max. Eliminating the Status item from the win=
dows=0Amenu is a beautiful thing but being able to turn overdrive on and =
off from=0Awithin the program ( ; max preempt 0 /1) has changed my life. =
No really. How=0Amany other gems are lurking ?

5. An object that senses whether Command, Option, Control or Shift (or a=
=0Acombination of these) is being held when an action is initiated.

6. to Stephen Kay. How about being able to specify a number which the int=
=0Aoutlet on a 3D button would output when clicked ON (default 1 ?). This=
 would=0Asave oodles of other objects.

And to all Max users. A 4 button mouse (I use a Kensington Thinking Mouse=
)=0Awith the three other buttons programmed for Command click, Option cli=
ck and=0AShift click speeds up Max programming considerably.

Let me know your thoughts.

John Williams.=0A

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Date:    Fri, 7 Aug 1998 22:21:53 +0200
From:    Sukandar Kartadinata 
Subject: Korg converters etc.

>Can you buy
>just the D/As and not have to pay for the A/Ds?

Well, there's the 880D/A and the 880A/D, seperately available by my book.
Know that there's also Creamware's A16 which does 16 channels AD and DA in
one box for little more buck than a single 880xx (with only 8 channels one
way). Dunno about quality though.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Sukandar Kartadinata
Custom Music Technology
Hagenauerstr. 6, 10435 Berlin, 030-44051219
http://members.xoom.com/Sukandar/vestibulear.html
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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Date:    Fri, 7 Aug 1998 16:21:10 -0400
From:    Stephen Kay 
Subject: Re: Can I have these please ?

>John Williams:
>2. Col to output a bang from right outlet when a write dialog box is
>closed so
>that an action can be taken after the write operation is completed.

If you use my (free) collX object, the name of the file is sent out
a 4th outlet when a write procedure is accomplished.  You can use
this to initiate an action.

collX available at:  http://www.musikinetix.com/Download/Download.html

>5. An object that senses whether Command, Option, Control or Shift (or a=

>combination of these) is being held when an action is initiated.

It exists: are you aware of the modifiers object by Steve Ellison?
It will output the current state of the modifier keys when banged.
Available at the usual places, I'm sure.

>6. to Stephen Kay. How about being able to specify a number which the in=
t
>outlet on a 3D button would output when clicked ON (default 1 ?). This
would
>save oodles of other objects.

I'll put it on the list for future features.

Stephen Kay
--------------------- The MegaMAX Collection ---------------------
Over 30 Max objects for the creation of more professional looking, =

         feeling, and functioning patchers and applications.
                        Demos available at:
                    http://www.musikinetix.com
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Date:    Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:39:03 -0700
From:    Matt Biederman 
Subject: serial object and ascii code

Is it possible to send characters out the serial object? I need to
control a DVD player via MAX.

Thanks

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Date:    Fri, 7 Aug 1998 20:10:38 -0400
From:    Stephen Kay 
Subject: collX Update

There is an update to the collX (enhanced coll object)
available (for free) at:

http://www.musikinetix.com/Download/Download.html

It has a new "setname" message I put in for someone, which
allows you to specify a default name for the file before
a user actually saves it.  Usually, the first time the user
saves a file, the name will be blank in the dialog box.
Using this, you can give the user whatever you like as a default,
such as "Untitled Programs 25" etc.

Stephen Kay

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