Subject: MAX Digest - 19 Jul 1998 to 20 Jul 1998
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There are 11 messages totalling 409 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. 0c76086
  2. Y2K (2)
  3. Solution to authorize Max/Important message ???
  4. dynamic allocation
  5. 1. keyup, 2.vst~ (2)
  6. Nick Longo was re-posted
  7. oscillation of controller data...
  8. Longo, la lunga strada
  9. motion/position sensor input (fwd)

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Date:    Mon, 20 Jul 1998 00:55:01 -0600
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: 0c76086

>From:    Stephen Kay 
>Although the allocation method works with any object, in order to
>allocate then send messages to one, you would need to somehow
>dyamically allocate patch cords and connect them.  While I'm sure
>it's possible to figure out how to do this by looking at the
>text of the file and sending messages to thispatcher the same way
>I'm doing here,

=3D posz!bl +_ =3D amuz!ng.

>Since it appears that there is no answer to
>question number 1, other than it can't be done, may I have
>1 month of standard english typing, instead of 2?

loophole =3D "may I have".
true.

\\

>Nicholas Longo <71477.2332@COMPUSERVE.COM>
>Sorry. >Looks like my mail server sent some messages I trashed - probably
>landed in the out basket and got mailed when I quit.

>Well now you know
>my thoughts.  Nazis beware.  Europeans have this
>habbit

 habit

>of grabbing
>territory and slaughtering each other en masse every twenty to forty
>years.  I understand 50% of the software in Europe is pirated (along
>with 90% in the U.S.S.R.  Without eternal vigilance it can happen here.

qete nu afrodau+?
afrodau nu pen=F0i qete kikerai pen=F0i.
afrodau nu dixi qete kikerai dixi.
afrodau nu enskrobi qete kikerai enskrobi.
ake nu afrodau.
afrodau nu krompi qete kikerai krompi.
afrodau nu neli kikerai neli.
afrodau nu di qete kikerai di.
afrodau nu ni kikerai ni.
qete nu afrodau.

a m 3 r ! k k a | | s u g 3 r

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Date:    Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:42:28 -0400
From:    James Garfield 
Subject: Re: Y2K

The MacOS is supposedly Y2K compliant, so that solves a lot of the
problem from the start.  Max will only be affected if it is using
2-digit year representation in a critical place in the code.  This is
much more typical in 40-year-old mainframe COBOL programs (still being
used today by government and financial institutions) than in 10-year-old
Mac C/C++/Pascal programs.

On December 31, 1999, take all of your money out of the bank.  It will
be safer in your mattress.

-J

--
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James Garfield                                      badrats@badrat.com
BadRat Multimedia Productions                    http://www.badrat.com

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Date:    Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:40:06 +0200
From:    Manuel Poletti-Studio Parlant 
Subject: Solution to authorize Max/Important message ???

Hello all,

this can be important concerning authorizing Max.
I recently bought a G3 and had to "perform" (this is the right word) a Max
authorization.
Successfully, with the original key disk.
What I did was to copy the version I use from my old 7100 (max 3.5.9) to
the G3 via Appletalk.
Then I put my key disk inside the Mac.
Then I launched the un-authorized Max.
Then I could "hear" that Max was "looking" into the disk.
Then I got a message like "authorization in process...".
Then  Max appeared (magic...).
So it seems that if one put the key disk before launching Max for the first
time, the authorization can success.
OK, it's impossible to de-authorize, but I can use Max...

Am I a lucky guy ? Unfortunate frustrated (by Opcode) Max users, please try
it out and give news !!...

Thanks, Opcode !..

regards,

Manuel

Manuel Poletti
Studio PARLANT

25 Boulevard des Dames
13002 Marseille-France

tel/fax:  (33)(0)4 91 56 02 98
email: parlant@club-internet.fr

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Date:    Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:23:58 -0400
From:    Fleur de Vie Weinstock 
Subject: Re: Y2K

> On December 31, 1999, take all of your money out of the bank.  It will
> be safer in your mattress.

        Unfortunately, it will likely be that if enough people do that,
there will be no money in the bank when you arrive to take yours out (most
money being numbers on a screen).

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Date:    Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:56:13 +0200
From:    dudas 
Subject: Re: dynamic allocation

dynamic allocation patch (i.e. Hemming/Kay method) very cool indeed

thanx Stephen Kay

-R

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Date:    Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:56:15 +0200
From:    karl kliem 
Subject: 1. keyup, 2.vst~

hello,
1. is there a way to get the keyboard code from the keyup-object ?
2. max crashes when i try to save a program file within the d-pole plug by
sending a write message to the vst~object. no saving problems with cubase.

thank you.
kk

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Date:    Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:06:59 -0400
From:    Stephen Kay 
Subject: 1. keyup, 2.vst~

>karl kliem:
>1. is there a way to get the keyboard code from the keyup-object ?

If you are referring to getting the letter from the ascii code, use
"itoa" by Steve Ellison - it will turn the ascii numbers into letters
i.e. 115 --> 's'.

Stephen Kay

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Date:    Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:09:26 +1000
From:    David Rodger 
Subject: Nick Longo was re-posted

Nick Longo wrote:
>Sorry.  Looks like my mail server sent some messages I trashed - probably
>landed in the out basket and got mailed when I quit.  Well now you know
>my thoughts.  Nazis beware.

No, Nick.  Antiorp took your private post to him and re-posted it to this
list.  This is one of his tricks, which he has done elsewhere (as you know
very well, Gene).  It is also a very good reason for ignoring Antiorp and
not engaging with him at all.

Regards, David

David Rodger: Audio Engineering; Pool Operations; Aquatics Training
EMAIL: auricle@alphalink.com.au  WEB: www.alphalink.com.au/~auricle
RESEARCH:  Motion Capture in Music -- farben.latrobe.edu.au/motion/
ADZOHU -- Ghanaian Music and Dance -- www.alphalink.com.au/~adzohu/
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I came across a quick bio on some trendy DJ/club musician or other.
Listed as his "weird obsessions" item was: a love of old analogue
synthesisers.  Gee, THAT must set him apart from the crowd.
--Nick Rothwell

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Date:    Wed, 22 Jul 1998 08:09:28 +1000
From:    David Rodger 
Subject: Re: oscillation of controller data...

evening wrote:
>I'd like to create a patch that will mimic an LFO by sending a stream of
>controller values (e.g. 0 to 127 to 0 repeating) Has anyone created an
>object or  patch that will do this? I figured that I'd check before
>digging in...I guess i'd need to look at the envelopes

You could easily get a triangle wave by using a counter set to count in
"updown" mode.  If you wanted other waves, perhaps you could use a coll
with pre-calculated values triggered by each increment from a counter.

Regards, David

David Rodger: Audio Engineering; Pool Operations; Aquatics Training
EMAIL: auricle@alphalink.com.au  WEB: www.alphalink.com.au/~auricle
RESEARCH:  Motion Capture in Music -- farben.latrobe.edu.au/motion/
ADZOHU -- Ghanaian Music and Dance -- www.alphalink.com.au/~adzohu/
===================================================================
I came across a quick bio on some trendy DJ/club musician or other.
Listed as his "weird obsessions" item was: a love of old analogue
synthesisers.  Gee, THAT must set him apart from the crowd.
--Nick Rothwell

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Date:    Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:26:55 EDT
From:    "SETA,MICHAL,MR" 
Subject: Longo, la lunga strada

>[No message]
>
>
><<>You know what we do with nazis where I come from?   Read your history
><<>pig.
>
1.  First say WHERE do you come from ?
2.  By reading HIS history he will not know what YOU do with
    nazis.
3.  Do you know what or who is a nazi ?

>Sorry.  Looks like my mail server sent some messages I trashed - probably

Don't be sorry if you meant it ...

>landed in the out basket and got mailed when I quit.  Well now you know
>my thoughts.  Nazis beware.  Europeans have this habbit of grabbing
    oh yes we know.   ------>>>    So, who qualifies as a nazi on
this list?

>territory and slaughtering each other en masse every twenty to forty

Where did you get that information...  A history book? Which?
Or American propaganda?

>years.  I understand 50% of the software in Europe is pirated (along
>with 90% in the U.S.S.R.  Without eternal vigilance it can happen here.
>

How do you know about the 50%?

And here you need to do some catching up with the history ...
Not yours...   general history ....

HINT:  U.S.S.R.   doesn't exist.

Surprised?

>Nick Longo
>

Michal S.
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Date:    Tue, 21 Jul 1998 01:17:23 +0100
From:    Todor Todoroff 
Subject: Re: motion/position sensor input (fwd)

Hi,
Maybe another suggestion?
I was wondering whether using BigEye from STEIM in Amsterdam wouldn't do th=
e
trik in an easier and cheaper way.
It is a program running an PowerMac that analyses a video signal following =
a
grid defined by the user, and can send MIDI data to MAX. Instead of having
to construct a double floor, you would just need to mount a camera on the
ceiling and acheive higher positional precision. I've never used it myself,
but I saw convincing demos.
You can download a demo version at http://www.xs4all.nl/~steim/main.html
Hope it might help,
Todor

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Todor Todoroff
Art, Recherche, Technologie et Musique asbl
273, Rue du Progr=E8s
B-1030 Bruxelles
Belgique

email: todor.todoroff@skynet.be
Tel: +32 2 201 13 51
fax: +32 2 201 15 46
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>Date:    Sun, 19 Jul 1998 11:52:24 -0400
>From:    David Crandall 
>Subject: Re: motion/position sensor input (fwd)
>
>Mark,
>I'm forwarding my (abbreviated) reply to the list in case anyone else is
>working with this.
>
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>
>On Sat, 18 Jul 1998, Mark Gee wrote:
>
>> I'm working on my Master's thesis and was wondering if Max can help me
out.
>> >From what I've heard, someone out there has used Max to process inputs
from
>> motion and/or position sensors.  That's what I'm hoping to accomplish as
>> well.  I'm wondering what equipment people have used for tracking a
person
>> moving through space without having sensors attached to the observed bod=
y
and
>> pointers on how to use Max in this context.  Thanks.
>
>I'm working on a similar problem, also for an MFA exhibition.  My
>application requires that the system also keep track of how many people
>are in the space, as well as their position. I plan on installing
>essentially another floor on top of the existing one, cut up sort of like
>a big jigsaw puzzle with sensing material sandwiched between the "puzzle
>pieces" and the existing floor.
>
>for I/O, I'll probably try either the ADB I/O unit or the iCube system.
>Both systems can talk to Max, and I think both of them offer 16 channels
>input.  Max could, for example be used to resolve an 8 x 8 matrix of
>inputs into 64 possibilities for positions.  (I think additional ADB
>I/O's can be combined to give even more possibilities.) This kind of
>resolution isn't quite what I'm going to need (I only need to divide my
>floor up into I about 15 areas).
>
>The thing I'm trying to determine is, what the best material is for
>placing in the "floor sandwich" I plan.  I'm considering piezoelectric
>film or ribbon switches.  I think the advantage of the piezo material is
>that it merely puts out voltage responding to pressure and doesn't require
>physical movement eg to trip a switch or whatever, but I haven't yet got
>hold of some to test with.  If you hear of anything else that might work,
>please let me know.
>
>---------------------end forward------
>
>BTW, this is for a gallery installation, so it has the advantage of not
>needing to be packed up and moved at the end of a night.  I think the
>advantage of this ("smart floor"?) approach is that I get a discrete
>signal from each location as opposed to having to decode signals from
>intersecting beams, optical sensors, etc. and also, I could build as big a
>floor as I wanted (if this were for dance, couldn't sensing material be
>placed under the marley?)  I also need an arrangement where the sensor
>stays "on" for the entire duration that a person is in a given area, as
>opposed to just a trigger when they move.
>
>Is anyone else trying this approach? or are there other net forums where
>questions about sensors, triggers, installation, etc., are discussed?
>

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