Subject: MAX Digest - 16 Jul 1998 to 17 Jul 1998
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 21:21:33 -0400
From: Jon Witte 
Organization: Music Machine
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There are 18 messages totalling 675 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. 
  2. strange message
  3. video in / analysis (2)
  4. Opcode and its customers (again)
  5. introduction (once i stop laughing...)
  6. buffer and groove hassles (2)
  7. punishments and flavors (2)
  8. float pecularities
  9. count + 1 for flow
 10. Re/stange message
 11. MacOS 8.1 HFS+
 12. Y2K (2)
 13. motion/position sensor input (2)

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Date:    Thu, 16 Jul 1998 23:48:14 -0600
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: 

>From:    Oeyvind Brandtsegg 
>Subject: moving objects
>Is there a way to move a max object within a patch window.
>
>The bpatcher method won't do, because I want to have the "moving" object
>on top of a (big) lcd object.

ecazaktl+e. hou doez 1 a.dresz. 1 !nd!v objekt +?

\+ Oeyvind Brandtsegg.z s!tuat!on = adreszabl v!a
w!n damage rout!n.

>>how does one access the text in the max window ?
>
>Select the window, and save it by pressing command-s. The content of the
>window will be saved in the MAX directory as a text file named "Max".
>
>Cheers,

d!nam!kall+e

>NOR CUR YAW WEEP GERM SITS CYST

pace

thanks and
excuses by my language
=cw4t7abs error -47

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Date:    Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:25:04 -0700
From:    James Livingston 
Subject: Re: strange message

>
>Date:    Fri, 17 Jul 1998 00:07:43 +0200
>From:    marc ravelomanantsoa 
>Subject: strange message
>
>hello maxers,
>
>does anyone understand and know what to do with this message :
>
>" Please enter a valid response to the challenge below in order to use Max
3.5
>" Challenge : NOR CUR YAW WEEP GERM SITS CYST
>" Response :
>" 3 buttons : Copy Challenge, Cancel an OK (grey)

This is a challenge/response dialog from the Pace software used to copy
protect the version of MAX that you are using.  If your local distributor
has a tech support team and you are a registered owner of MAX with them
then they may be able to provide you with the appropriate response to enter
into the dialog in order to authorize MAX to run without a key disk.

>
>I've got that message-box while I tried to launch Unauthorize application
>from a
>copy-protected disk ...
>
>
>key-diskette matter (again) :
>I bouhgt a new key-diskette from local retailer but It doesn't work an
>seems to
>be "corrupted" :
>always the same symptom : "Error while validating the authorization count.
The
>authorization count
>on your key disk has been corrupted, possibly by a pirating utility. You
may
>use this diskette as a key, but you can't perform any installations or
>removals.   Result code : 107    "

This is a "feature" in the Pace copy protection software which takes
punitive measures against computers which have or have had Key Disk
Terminator (and possibly other Authorization Defeating software) installed
on them.

>
>I was told to send it back for "analyse" and repairing
>...  some more days without MAX ....

Most likely the distributor will send a replacement disk.  The "analysis"
is mainly just them confirming that the disk is corrupted and not just
empty in terms of its authorization count

In the interest of promoting more harmony on the MAX list, I've suggested
to the VP of Marketing, that it may be worth considering multiple flavors
of copy protection in the next rev of MAX.  I'm not sure how far this idea
will fly but we'll see.

-James

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Date:    Fri, 17 Jul 1998 10:47:51 +0100
From:    finer@EASYNET.CO.UK
Subject: video in / analysis

Is there an object that into which one can input video and obtain an
analysis of the colours present in each frame/specified segment ?

Thanks,

Jem Finer

Kentish Town
London NW5
finer@easynet.co.uk

44 171 267 6416

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Date:    Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:06:29 +0200
From:    Manuel Poletti-Studio Parlant 
Subject: Re: Opcode and its customers (again)

>key-diskette matter (again) :
>I bouhgt a new key-diskette from local retailer but It doesn't work an
>seems to
>be "corrupted" :
>always the same symptom : "Error while validating the authorization count.
The
>authorization count
>on your key disk has been corrupted, possibly by a pirating utility. You
may
>use this diskette as a key, but you can't perform any installations or
>removals.   Result code : 107    "

I also had to buy a new key-disk - and this is a SCANDAL !!! from my
customer's point of view- and the same thing happened, except that I could
install one authorization but couldn't choose the disk to authorize. Then
when I wanted to de-install the authorization, the same message appeared
and THIS IS ANOTHER SCANDAL !!!
Hey , Opcode, are you reading us ? I sent you an email to complain and ask
for some help: no answer at all, Opcode don't care ! Do you know any car
seller who doesn't give the keys with the  car he just solt to you ? Or do
you know any good software-cracker ? Please send me his address...

Result Code: 107

Manuel Poletti
Studio PARLANT

25 Boulevard des Dames
13002 Marseille-France

tel/fax:  (33)(0)4 91 56 02 98
email: parlant@club-internet.fr

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Date:    Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:10:14 +0000
From:    david 
Subject: introduction (once i stop laughing...)

antiorp wrote:
>
> z!3n-1:akt47
>
> charlotte et veron!que
> touz lez gar=E7ons s.apellent patr!k.
> \\ henr! !v plantd 1zt tr! !n par!z.
> du u ... zp!ek - an gl!tch +?
> a.non.oke.alleurz.au.revo!r.
> et aprez - du u no vat ar!vd +?
>
>                 r ! e n
>

funniest thing i've read in ages.

so I thought that I'd better introduce myself, having "lurked" for a week.

i write music for (the outer edges of) tv in the uk, working from home with
a
fairly comprehensive studio based aroubd Cubase vst.
a couple of years ago i decided it was time that i started doing some music
just for myself, before i started going mad(der). i had discovered
SoundMaker/SoundMagic, and was starting to create long drone sounds with
granular & spectral stretching, and resonant filters. i've made 2 pieces
based
on these sounds so far. they're intended for creating an altered state of
consciousness. (no, really)
a few months ago i discovered LiSa, which i'm in the process of learning.
there are a number of things that i wanted to do with the programme that
required either more keyboards, or some way of manipulating the midi stream.
and so (after being curious about it for years) i finally bought Max.
the dealer was surprised, he'd sold a copy just the week before. he was even
more surprised when the uk importer told him that that had been the last
copy
they had. so i still don't have the programme - it should be here next week.
and I'll probably add MSP fairly soon.

best wishes

david

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Date:    Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:30:48 +0200
From:    "Dr. Karlheinz Essl" 
Subject: buffer and groove hassles

Dear MAXers, dear David!

On my PB3400 with OS 8.0 (virtual memory off, no superfluous system
extensions etc.) MSP does neither shows the waveform of a sample AIFF file
which has been stored in the buffer~ object nor does it do the playback.
Furthermore, loading tutorial chapter 14 (Sampling: playback with loops)
will always crash my machine.

I suspect that the buffer / groove object might be responsible for it,
although I am running the latest Update (#4).

Any ideas what went wrong - and how to remedy this?

Thanks in advance,

   Dr. Karlheinz Essl - Composer
   Vienna / Austria
   Studio for Advanced Music & Media Technology
   http://www.essl.at/

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Date:    Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:46:16 +0200
From:    "Dr. Karlheinz Essl" 
Subject: Re: buffer and groove hassles

In addition to my recent post: when I try to play back wavetables that have
been stored with the buffer object (in Tutorial #3) I get a horribly
distorted signal and an error message saying that this type of AIFF files
cannot be handled (although this file gtr512.aiff is included in the MSP
distribution).

Best regards,
   --- KHE

   Dr. Karlheinz Essl - Composer
   Vienna / Austria
   Studio for Advanced Music & Media Technology
   http://www.essl.at/

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Date:    Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:15:32 +0200
From:    Roby Steinmetzer 
Subject: Re: video in / analysis

>Is there an object that into which one can input video and obtain an
>analysis of the colours present in each frame/specified segment ?
>

There are two as far as I know:

"VideoIn" by Eric Singer, his address is esinger@cat.nyu.edu,
and
an object called simply "Video" which you can find at IRCAM.

I worked with the one from Eric in some installation and it worked fine.

Beside these Max objects, there is also BigEye from STEIM.

Roby Steinmetzer
Luxembourg, Europe

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Date:    Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:31:01 +0200
From:    Roby Steinmetzer 
Subject: punishments and flavors

>
>This is a "feature" in the Pace copy protection software which takes
>punitive measures against computers which have or have had Key Disk
>Terminator (and possibly other Authorization Defeating software) installed
>on them.
>

So now Opcode/Pace clients are getting punished because they use software
from someone else!

Who do they think they are?

But honestly, they can throw away this "feature".
I don't have or had installed Key Disk Terminator on my Powerbook but my
disk refuses to work.

>In the interest of promoting more harmony on the MAX list, I've suggested
>to the VP of Marketing, that it may be worth considering multiple flavors
>of copy protection in the next rev of MAX.

Nice idea.
I like raspberries, particularly as ice-cream. So I could eat it up.

Roby Steinmetzer
Luxembourg, Europe

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Date:    Fri, 17 Jul 1998 09:25:17 -1000
From:    Rex Brian Coggins 
Subject: Re: punishments and flavors

Thaken from http://www.paceap.com/iltech.html :

> CHALLENGE/RESPONSE AUTHORIZATION
>
>        Challenge/Response authorization is the "heavyweight" form of
InterLok
>        security. When your application is first run on a user's machine,
InterLok
>        examines characteristics of the disk subsystem and uses it to
generate a
>        machine-unique challenge value. (This process is sometimes called
>        "fingerprinting.") This challenge uniquely identifies a particular
machine, and
>        because of this, when it is used as part of authorization
generation it can
>        "lock" both your software and its InterLok authorization
instructions to a
>        particular computer. Software authorized using challenge/response
cannot be
>        moved to another machine unless a new response for that machine is
>        obtained. Because of this, a challenge/response locked application
cannot be
>        distributed freely by pirates.
>
>        InterLok's "active demonstration" features (described in a moment)
are
>        controlled through challenge/response authorization. This locks the
>        demonstration environment to a particular machine and allows tight
control
>        over the number of program launches or elapsed evaluation time.
>
>        When you use challenge/response authentication to control your
application,
>        your customer provides (by phone, fax, e-mail, etc.) the challenge
that the
>        InterLok "wrapper" locking your application has generated. You
enter this
>        challenge along with your authorization instructions into the
InterLok
>        Satisfaction program, which generates a response. You then give
this
>        response to your customer, who enters it into the their copy of
your
>        software.
>
>        InterLok distinguishes between demonstration challenge/response
>        authorization and "final" challenge/response authorization, which
is when a
>        locked application is purchased and becomes fully authorized.The
essential
>        difference is that a challenge created by InterLok when a locked
application is
>        in one of the demonstration modes has a random component added to
it, so
>        that a different challenge is generated each time a previous
demonstration
>        challenge is successfully answered.
>
>        This variation keeps a user from entering the same response over
and over to
>        extend their demonstration period. A "final" InterLok response
unlocks the
>        application (on a particular machine) for all time, and can be used
as a
>        response to whatever challenge InterLok may generate.
>
>        Because InterLok challenges are associated with a particular hard
disk, a hard
>        disk with an InterLok'd application on it can be moved from one
computer to
>        another and the application will continue to run. InterLok takes
this
>        convenience even further by not requiring the locked application to
be on the
>        same hard disk that was authorized. If the hard-disk that was
originally
>        authorized is available anywhere on the user's machine, InterLok
will find it
>        and allow your application to run. In this way the hard disk
functions in the
>        manner traditionally associated with hardware-key "dongles", but at
a much
>        lower cost. Your users have no restrictions on which hard disk
volume they
>        place their InterLok'd applications. They can re-organize and move
their
>        applications from disk to disk at will. As long as the disk drive
originally
>        used to generate the challenge is available, everything will simply
work.
>

Roby Steinmetzer wrote:

> >
> >This is a "feature" in the Pace copy protection software which takes
> >punitive measures against computers which have or have had Key Disk
> >Terminator (and possibly other Authorization Defeating software)
installed
> >on them.
> >
>
> So now Opcode/Pace clients are getting punished because they use software
from someone else!
>
> Who do they think they are?
>
> But honestly, they can throw away this "feature".
> I don't have or had installed Key Disk Terminator on my Powerbook but my
disk refuses to work.
>
> >In the interest of promoting more harmony on the MAX list, I've suggested
> >to the VP of Marketing, that it may be worth considering multiple flavors
> >of copy protection in the next rev of MAX.
>
> Nice idea.
> I like raspberries, particularly as ice-cream. So I could eat it up.
>
> Roby Steinmetzer
> Luxembourg, Europe
>
> McGill is running a new version of LISTSERV (1.8c on Windows NT).
> Information is available on the WEB at http://www.mcgill.ca/cc/listserv

--
Rex Brian Coggins
Technical Exorcist
The Steakhouse Studio
5161 Cartwright Ave., Suite A
North Hollywood, California 91601-4075

(818)985-2620
http://welcome.to/The.Steakhouse
mailto:thesteakhouse@hotmail.com

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Date:    Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:17:41 +0200
From:    Oeyvind Brandtsegg 
Subject: float pecularities

Sorry about the "rescopy" question.
- emptied the trash, and everything was o.k.

However I encountered strange behaviour from float number boxes.
Try this at your system please, and tell me what you get to:

Open a new patcher.
Put one floating-piont number box in there.
Enlarge the number box a bit, to make room for about 8 digits in there.
Type 16.2 into the number box.
Hit [enter]

I get 16.200001 displayed in the box after hitting enter. Everything up
to 16.09 seems to be straight, but above that a lot of floating point
numbers behave rather funny. All the errors are pretty small, but
concistent every time. For example 32.9 is "corrected" to 32.900002.
I can't recall having seen this before. Have you ?

Cheers
Oeyvind Brandtsegg
mailto:obrandts@online.no

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Date:    Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:54:56 +0300
From:    Ken Gregory 
Subject: count + 1 for flow

To Whomever is counting,

I 've ordered antiorp@tezcat.com (=cw4t7abs) audio CD, krop3rom || a9ff.

Please increment the CD order count + 1 for the purchase of Max for flow.

=cw4t7abs

Thanks for the memories!

Ciao,

ken

Ken Gregory     kgregory@pangea.ca
704-138 Portage Ave. East
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada R3C 0A1
ph. 204-942-7510  fax 204-942-1555

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Date:    Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:18:09 -0000
From:    Frederic Murray 
Subject: Re/stange message

>does anyone understand and know what to do with this message :
>" Please enter a valid response to the challenge below in order to use Max
>3.5
>" Challenge : NOR CUR YAW WEEP GERM SITS CYST
>" Response :
>" 3 buttons : Copy Challenge, Cancel an OK (grey)
>
>I've got that message-box while I tried to launch Unauthorize application
>from a copy-protected disk ...

Here is another one:
NOR MULE ZING DALE BOY LIPS LUNG

??

>key-diskette matter (again) :
>I bouhgt a new key-diskette from local retailer but It doesn't work an
>seems to be "corrupted" : always the same symptom : "Error while
>validating the authorization count. The authorization count on your key
>disk has been corrupted, possibly by a pirating utility. You may use
>this diskette as a key, but you can't perform any installations or
>removals. Result code : 107    "

the copy protection system have problem. I never pirate my disk
and a had this message when I try to authorize MAX in school.
Of course, Opcode don't seem to beleive me. Someone, in the list
told that it can happen if you have 2 MAX program and/or two key
in the same machine (something like that). Anobody have ideas?

>I was told to send it back for "analyse" and repairing
>...  some more days without MAX ....
:(
(one day without MAX...gulp!)

Frederic Murray
Etudiant en musique
Universite Laval, Quebec
aae052@agora.ulaval.ca

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Date:    Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:59:15 -0400
From:    Jeff Mann 
Subject: MacOS 8.1 HFS+

> From:    "Britt H. Myers" 
[re. MacOS 8.1's new HFS file system]
> I wouldn't use it on your audio partitions.  Maybe for your apps =
> and system, but otherwise I'd get a serious backup system or =
> something.

I'm not going to use it at all until Norton Disk Doctor works with it.
At the moment it is completely incompatible.
--
Jeff Mann - Information Consumer ___O___O__= -- >
mailto:jefman@utcc.utoronto.ca ||   http://www.interlog.com/~jefman
Visit the Art & Robotics Group site: http://www.interaccess.org/arg

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Date:    Fri, 17 Jul 1998 18:16:28 -0400
From:    Fleur de Vie Weinstock 
Subject: Y2K

how will the millenium bug (Y2K, etc) affect MAX?

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Date:    Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:21:53 GMT
From:    Mark Gee 
Subject: motion/position sensor input

Many, many apologies if this message has shown up before.  I've been having
trouble sending it.

Hello all; first-time poster here.

I'm working on my Master's thesis and was wondering if Max can help me out.
>From what I've heard, someone out there has used Max to process inputs from
motion and/or position sensors.  That's what I'm hoping to accomplish as
well.  I'm wondering what equipment people have used for tracking a person
moving through space without having sensors attached to the observed body
and
pointers on how to use Max in this context.  Thanks.

--
m.                                a.                                 g.
'Mark A. Gee', 'http://www.io.com/~mag', 'mag@sciarc.edu', 'mag@io.com'
{ archipelago:          S C I - A r c Online}

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Date:    Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:19:34 -0400
From:    Fleur de Vie Weinstock 
Subject: Re: motion/position sensor input

Bob Moog/Leon Theremin : TERPSITONE
a theremin converted to platform that senses body movements and translates
        to pitch and volume
this could be hooked up to an analog/digital converter
and hooked up to MAX and various synthesizers etc.
of course, it can also be used to control an analog synthesizer.
contact Kyle Lapidus.

On Sat, 18 Jul 1998, Mark Gee wrote:

> Many, many apologies if this message has shown up before.  I've been
having
> trouble sending it.
>
> Hello all; first-time poster here.
>
> I'm working on my Master's thesis and was wondering if Max can help me
out.
> >From what I've heard, someone out there has used Max to process inputs
from
> motion and/or position sensors.  That's what I'm hoping to accomplish as
> well.  I'm wondering what equipment people have used for tracking a person
> moving through space without having sensors attached to the observed body
and
> pointers on how to use Max in this context.  Thanks.
>
> --
> m.                                a.                                 g.
> 'Mark A. Gee', 'http://www.io.com/~mag', 'mag@sciarc.edu', 'mag@io.com'
> { archipelago:          S C I - A r c Online}
>
> McGill is running a new version of LISTSERV (1.8c on Windows NT).
> Information is available on the WEB at http://www.mcgill.ca/cc/listserv
>

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Date:    Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:02:32 -1000
From:    Rex Brian Coggins 
Subject: Re: Y2K

It shouldn't but, this listerv is run on a DP pentium sys under NT.
Maybe... Maybe not.

Fleur de Vie Weinstock wrote:

> how will the millenium bug (Y2K, etc) affect MAX?
>
> McGill is running a new version of LISTSERV (1.8c on Windows NT).
> Information is available on the WEB at http://www.mcgill.ca/cc/listserv

--
Rex Brian Coggins
Technical Exorcist
The Steakhouse Studio
5161 Cartwright Ave., Suite A
North Hollywood, California 91601-4075

(818)985-2620
http://welcome.to/The.Steakhouse
mailto:thesteakhouse@hotmail.com

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