Subject: MAX Digest - 15 Jul 1998 to 16 Jul 1998
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 17:42:51 +0000
From: Jon Witte 
Organization: Music Machine

There are 13 messages totalling 407 lines in this issue.

     Topics of the day:

       1. MAX Digest - 13 Jul 1998 to 14 Jul 1998 - Unfinished (2)
       2. Alchemy program (2)
       3. * Important info regarding MAX listserv - Please read *
       4. MAX Digest - 13 Jul 1998 (2)
       5. MAX Digest - 14 Jul 1998
       6. Various things from various people
       7. Internationational Customers who are having difficulties...
       8. e-mail, lack thereof
       9. my last contribution (?)
      10. Too Much Fun

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     Date:    Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:51:12 EDT
     From:    "Britt H. Myers" 
     Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 13 Jul 1998 to 14 Jul 1998 - Unfinished

     --- "Pablo Silva-Escuela Nacional de Musica,              UNAM" =
     > If you do go for 8.1, be
     > wary of HFS+, which is not always the friendliest toward =
     soundfiles, I've
     > heard...
     --- end of quote ---
     HFS+ destroyed all my sound files.

     I wouldn't use it on your audio partitions.  Maybe for your apps =
     and system, but otherwise I'd get a serious backup system or =

     Good luck.


     Date:    Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:28:53 -0400
     From:    David Crandall 
     Subject: Re: Alchemy program

     On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Fleur de Vie Weinstock wrote:

     >         Have any of you worked with Alchemy and have particular
     > suggestions for particularly cool ways of using it?

     I only use it a little (don't have SMIDI) but the coolest thing it
does is
     sample analysis/resynthesis.  *My* question is if anyone has found
a way
     around the ~3/4-second limit on sample manipulation.

     Sorry for the off-topic...



     Date:    Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:14:24 -0400
     From:    Chris Murtagh Hrdc-drhc 
     Subject: * Important info regarding MAX listserv - Please read *

     Greetings all,

      Here is some important news regarding the MAX listserv. The
listserv has
     moved. The new addresses are:

     To post messages:

     For subscription options:

     Not to worry, if you still use the old addresses, your messages
will still
     get auto-forwarded for a month or so, but please change your
address books
     accordingly. The new location will solve a few problems (very few)
we have
     been having with some subscribers as well as make the address a bit
     to remember (who really knows what vm1 stands for anyway?).

     On a related note:

      I plan on setting up a web site for people who want info on their
     subscription and the options available.  I will also like to
include the
     following at this www site:

     - a page for info and help re: configuring your listserv
subscription (yes
     there are actually options!)
     - links to anyone who has patches, developped Apps, maintains
     archives and performed pieces with/for/using/about MAX/MSP.
     - a small  ftp site for people who have strictly public domain
     and/or patches for or developped with MAX/MSP
     - a calendar of events where people can send me concert listings to
     posted for all to hear about (only MAX/MSP related please)
     - a MAX/MSP FAQ (if someone is willing and/or able to provide one)
     - pictures of my G3, my trombone and my cat (well... maybe this is
     a little out of hand)

      I hope to start this soon and have it up by the end of the month,
I'm just
     waiting for the finishing touches for a client's site, then all my
     time will go towards this.

      If anyone has any suggestions/comments/questions/concerns
regarding any of
     the above, please send them directly to me at my McGill account (my
     account is only good until the end of the summer) at:

     Good Maxing.

     Christopher Murtagh
     MAX listserv owner


     Date:    Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:02:42 -0400
     From:    David Crandall 
     Subject: Re: Alchemy program

     On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, James Garfield wrote:

     > If you're looking to do cool (i.e. experimental) DSP stuff, I
     > there are better and more exciting ways to do it (insert plug for
     > here).  Try MSP, or maybe SoundHack or TurboSynth if you have

     Not to forget Lemur Pro, which is *supposed* to do the same sound
     analysis/resynthesis I mentioned, but has a pretty steep learning
     (a) anyone know of anything published that discusses using Lemur in
     "real world"?  The docs that came with it are pretty heavy going.
(b) can
     MSP be made to do what Lemur does?  If in real-time or something
close to
     it, that would be pretty freaking amazing.



     Date:    Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:59:12 -0700
     From:    Steve Anderson 
     Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 13 Jul 1998

      RE>MAX Digest - 13 Jul 1998 - Special issue           7/14/98
                                                            8:43 AM

     >Subject: Spreadsheet 2000

     >In particular, S2K has an operation called Crunch, where you
select a
     >group of objects in a patch by dragging and/or shift-clicking,
then hit
     >command-K and the program krunches them all down into a subpatch
with the
     >right number of inlets & outlets, and gives you a dialog box to
name it

     Another object oriented programming language that has this function
is called
     LabVIEW by National Instruments. It really helps to cut down on the
     clutter (assuming the group/object/collective function is
     National Instruments also has an 8 channel PCMCIA A/D D/A card that
I am
     considereding for audio i/o. As cited in the previous >Subject:
Korg 1212 in a
     MAGMA expander box? post From: James Livingston, the Magma PCI
     chassis looks good, but, at $1,500, it kind of defeats the idea of
a portable
     powerbook system, especially if you have only 1 card (the 3 slot
box is
     from: wannabe pocket-rocker


     Date:    Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:20:24 -0700
     From:    Steve Anderson 
     Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 14 Jul 1998

      RE>MAX Digest - 14 Jul 1998                           7/14/98
                                                            9:13 AM

     One more question on G3 powerbook audio i/o...
     Is there a PCMCIA SPDIF or ADAT fiberlink i/o card that could use
an ADAT as
     an  analog front end? Then with the ADAT in the record-monitor
mode, you could
     use it as an output for the G3 pb, as well. This would also be cool
to be able
     to use the ADAT for back-up. A used ADAT costs about the same as
     chassis, and it can record.


     Date:    Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:23:51 -0400
     From:    Andrew Davenport BROUSE 
     Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 13 Jul 1998 to 14 Jul 1998 - Unfinished

     On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Pablo Silva-Escuela Nacional de Musica, UNAM

     > Is the above really true? I'm working on a G3 and doing LOTS of
     > audio, so the possibility of some ridiculous HFS problem is not a
     > one...

     I was using an HFS+ partitiion for digital audio and had no
problems.  My
     only suggestions are: do NOT use Norton Utilities with HFS+,
TechTool and
     other utilities supposedly support HFS+ but I would be careful.  DO
     Apples latest version of Disk First Aid (8.2 or later) which is
very much
     improved and will even repair the startup disk.  As for
     utilites, I would be careful - you are probably better to copy
files to
     another volume and copy them back to defragment.


     Andrew Brouse
     Computer Applications in Music
     McGill University
     Montreal, Canada


     Date:    Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:36:42 EDT
     From:    "SETA,MICHAL,MR" 
     Subject: Various things from various people

     >Date:    Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:42:18 -0600
     >From:    =cw4t7abs 
     >Subject: e z k t u j b
     >how does one access the text in the max window ?
     >can - one access the text in the max window ?
     >how does one erase an object in a patcher ?
     >dynamically ?
     >antiorp will type in standard english for 1 month if the
     >questions above are answered satisfactorily.
     >antiorp will type in standard english for 2 months if the
     >questions above are answered satisfactorily by stephen kay

     This is not a compromise I hope ...
     How about this:  if the above are not answered satisfactorily
     the entire list will type in antiorp's standard ?

     >Date:    Tue, 14 Jul 1998 01:16:03 -0600
     >From:    "Pablo Silva-Escuela Nacional de Musica,
     >         UNAM" 
     >Subject: Nightmare of the never-arriving key disks
     >Just adding my final 2 cents for the night (let's see, that
     >It's hard to be honest when you face <...insert your favorite...>
     >Any suggestions? Like, how can I contact someone at Opcode capable
     >fixing this mess? I have past key disks, official school docs,

     Try to find a contact with Snapcase...  He never fails.

     >>As for extra key disks ("Professionals always have a backup."),..

     Any ideas on how to backup key disks????
     >Date:    Tue, 14 Jul 1998 04:10:16 -0400
     >From:    Roland Hemming <100414.2220@COMPUSERVE.COM>
     >Subject: Non MAX stuff
     >I hate to even clog up the MAX list with more on this subject and
I hate
     >to be a boring stick in the mud.
     >However this list is mean't to be about MAX. Now I know from time
to time
     >some of may promote ourselves in some way or mention things that
are a
     >little off subject but IMHO this =3Dcw4t7abs and Stephen Kay
argument has
     >gone on for too long. If you want to insult eachother do it
     >Also I have never read =3Dcw4t7abs postings as I can't be bothered
     >translate them. Why not just write in English. We have a number of
     >native English speakers who go to great trouble to translate and
     >things to this list without some other quirky language being
     >that will undoubtably exclude them too.

     I am a non native English speaker and I did take time to
     read antiorp's postings.  One thing I noticed.  He's consistent.
     I can read them fluently now.

     antiorp -->   how do you type in French?  I'd be anxious to see
     you can answer me privately.


       Michal Seta


       Wagner has good moments but bad quarter-hours.


     Date:    Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:38:35 -0700
     From:    Tim Perkis 
     Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 13 Jul 1998

     >Opcode will not rev the version of the copy protection used for
any old
     >version of software.  As far as I have been made aware (I do
attend the
     >weekly tech support meetings) there have been no significant
     >problems with the copy protection used for the 3.5.8 Key Disks
(the last
     >time key disks rev'ed).  Therefore, it is unlikely that there will
be any
     >changes in the near future to the Copy Protection scheme that is
     >in place.

     I've been silent on this, not wanting to add to the tedious chorus
of copy
     protection complainers, but this kind of  blindness is just too
much. I,
     like too many others,  have lost installs and been exceedingly
     and annoyed by the copy protection scheme used in MAX. It is most
     definitely NOT satisfactory -- it is an insult to your customers,
and an
     abuse of their loyalty to an excellent product.

     Dongles are a fair solution. They are more expensive, of course,
but there
     doesn't seem to be another solution that doesn't overburden and
     legitimate users.

     Tim Perkis


     Date:    Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:08:03 -0700
     From:    James Livingston 
     Subject: Internationational Customers who are having

     Internationational Customers who are having difficulties obtaining
     disks from their local distributors in a timely fashion should
contact Neil
     Ziesing (, the international guy on the
sales team.

     Bearing in mind  Neil  is directly responsible for the fact that
you are
     not making music, please explain any problems you may be having, or
     relevant details of your situation in a polite and concise manner.



     Date:    Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:06:32 -0700
     From:    David Zicarelli 
     Subject: e-mail, lack thereof

     My internet "service" provider has decided that its clients'
     e-mail service is relatively unimportant and we've had the
     priviledge of not being able to access our mail for several
     days. There is no end in sight to this situation, although today,
     we have been given the number of someone in an area code a hundred
     miles away whose voice mailbox is full. At least now we know
     they know. If you would like to send me e-mail for any reason, you
     can send it to

     David Z.


     Date:    Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:12:48 +0200
     From:    Roland Cahen & Ruth Sefton-Green

     Subject: Re: my last contribution (?)

     Don't take it seriously
     your contributions are welcome for all of us
     art first
     yours friendly

     Roland Cahen


     Date:    Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:37:06 -0400
     From:    Nicholas Longo <71477.2332@COMPUSERVE.COM>
     Subject: Too Much Fun

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