Subject: MAX Digest -  to 14 Jul 1998
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There are 13 messages totalling 407 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. MAX Digest - 13 Jul 1998 to 14 Jul 1998 - Unfinished (2)
  2. Alchemy program (2)
  3. * Important info regarding MAX listserv - Please read *
  4. MAX Digest - 13 Jul 1998 (2)
  5. MAX Digest - 14 Jul 1998
  6. Various things from various people
  7. Internationational Customers who are having difficulties...
  8. e-mail, lack thereof
  9. my last contribution (?)
 10. Too Much Fun

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Date:    Tue, 14 Jul 1998 10:51:12 EDT
From:    "Britt H. Myers" 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 13 Jul 1998 to 14 Jul 1998 - Unfinished

--- "Pablo Silva-Escuela Nacional de Musica,              UNAM" =
> If you do go for 8.1, be
> wary of HFS+, which is not always the friendliest toward =
soundfiles, I've
> heard...
--- end of quote ---
HFS+ destroyed all my sound files.

I wouldn't use it on your audio partitions.  Maybe for your apps =
and system, but otherwise I'd get a serious backup system or =

Good luck.


Date:    Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:28:53 -0400
From:    David Crandall 
Subject: Re: Alchemy program

On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Fleur de Vie Weinstock wrote:

>         Have any of you worked with Alchemy and have particular
> suggestions for particularly cool ways of using it?

I only use it a little (don't have SMIDI) but the coolest thing it does is
sample analysis/resynthesis.  *My* question is if anyone has found a way
around the ~3/4-second limit on sample manipulation.

Sorry for the off-topic...



Date:    Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:14:24 -0400
From:    Chris Murtagh Hrdc-drhc 
Subject: * Important info regarding MAX listserv - Please read *

Greetings all,

 Here is some important news regarding the MAX listserv. The listserv has
moved. The new addresses are:

To post messages:

For subscription options:

Not to worry, if you still use the old addresses, your messages will still
get auto-forwarded for a month or so, but please change your address books
accordingly. The new location will solve a few problems (very few) we have
been having with some subscribers as well as make the address a bit easier
to remember (who really knows what vm1 stands for anyway?).

On a related note:

 I plan on setting up a web site for people who want info on their
subscription and the options available.  I will also like to include the
following at this www site:

- a page for info and help re: configuring your listserv subscription (yes
there are actually options!)
- links to anyone who has patches, developped Apps, maintains listserv
archives and performed pieces with/for/using/about MAX/MSP.
- a small  ftp site for people who have strictly public domain software
and/or patches for or developped with MAX/MSP
- a calendar of events where people can send me concert listings to be
posted for all to hear about (only MAX/MSP related please)
- a MAX/MSP FAQ (if someone is willing and/or able to provide one)
- pictures of my G3, my trombone and my cat (well... maybe this is getting
a little out of hand)

 I hope to start this soon and have it up by the end of the month, I'm just
waiting for the finishing touches for a client's site, then all my free
time will go towards this.

 If anyone has any suggestions/comments/questions/concerns regarding any of
the above, please send them directly to me at my McGill account (my govt.
account is only good until the end of the summer) at:

Good Maxing.

Christopher Murtagh
MAX listserv owner


Date:    Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:02:42 -0400
From:    David Crandall 
Subject: Re: Alchemy program

On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, James Garfield wrote:

> If you're looking to do cool (i.e. experimental) DSP stuff, I think
> there are better and more exciting ways to do it (insert plug for MSP
> here).  Try MSP, or maybe SoundHack or TurboSynth if you have access

Not to forget Lemur Pro, which is *supposed* to do the same sound
analysis/resynthesis I mentioned, but has a pretty steep learning curve.
(a) anyone know of anything published that discusses using Lemur in the
"real world"?  The docs that came with it are pretty heavy going.  (b) can
MSP be made to do what Lemur does?  If in real-time or something close to
it, that would be pretty freaking amazing.



Date:    Tue, 14 Jul 1998 08:59:12 -0700
From:    Steve Anderson 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 13 Jul 1998

 RE>MAX Digest - 13 Jul 1998 - Special issue           7/14/98
                                                       8:43 AM

>Subject: Spreadsheet 2000

>In particular, S2K has an operation called Crunch, where you select a
>group of objects in a patch by dragging and/or shift-clicking, then hit
>command-K and the program krunches them all down into a subpatch with the
>right number of inlets & outlets, and gives you a dialog box to name it

Another object oriented programming language that has this function is
LabVIEW by National Instruments. It really helps to cut down on the
clutter (assuming the group/object/collective function is debugged).
National Instruments also has an 8 channel PCMCIA A/D D/A card that I am
considereding for audio i/o. As cited in the previous >Subject: Korg 1212 in
MAGMA expander box? post From: James Livingston, the Magma PCI expansion
chassis looks good, but, at $1,500, it kind of defeats the idea of a
powerbook system, especially if you have only 1 card (the 3 slot box is
from: wannabe pocket-rocker


Date:    Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:20:24 -0700
From:    Steve Anderson 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 14 Jul 1998

 RE>MAX Digest - 14 Jul 1998                           7/14/98
                                                       9:13 AM

One more question on G3 powerbook audio i/o...
Is there a PCMCIA SPDIF or ADAT fiberlink i/o card that could use an ADAT as
an  analog front end? Then with the ADAT in the record-monitor mode, you
use it as an output for the G3 pb, as well. This would also be cool to be
to use the ADAT for back-up. A used ADAT costs about the same as the MAGMA
chassis, and it can record.


Date:    Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:23:51 -0400
From:    Andrew Davenport BROUSE 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 13 Jul 1998 to 14 Jul 1998 - Unfinished

On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Pablo Silva-Escuela Nacional de Musica, UNAM wrote:

> Is the above really true? I'm working on a G3 and doing LOTS of digital
> audio, so the possibility of some ridiculous HFS problem is not a nice
> one...

I was using an HFS+ partitiion for digital audio and had no problems.  My
only suggestions are: do NOT use Norton Utilities with HFS+, TechTool and
other utilities supposedly support HFS+ but I would be careful.  DO use
Apples latest version of Disk First Aid (8.2 or later) which is very much
improved and will even repair the startup disk.  As for defragmentation
utilites, I would be careful - you are probably better to copy files to
another volume and copy them back to defragment.


Andrew Brouse
Computer Applications in Music
McGill University
Montreal, Canada


Date:    Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:36:42 EDT
From:    "SETA,MICHAL,MR" 
Subject: Various things from various people

>Date:    Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:42:18 -0600
>From:    =cw4t7abs 
>Subject: e z k t u j b
>how does one access the text in the max window ?
>can - one access the text in the max window ?
>how does one erase an object in a patcher ?
>dynamically ?
>antiorp will type in standard english for 1 month if the
>questions above are answered satisfactorily.
>antiorp will type in standard english for 2 months if the
>questions above are answered satisfactorily by stephen kay

This is not a compromise I hope ...
How about this:  if the above are not answered satisfactorily
the entire list will type in antiorp's standard ?

>Date:    Tue, 14 Jul 1998 01:16:03 -0600
>From:    "Pablo Silva-Escuela Nacional de Musica,
>         UNAM" 
>Subject: Nightmare of the never-arriving key disks
>Just adding my final 2 cents for the night (let's see, that makes...):
>It's hard to be honest when you face <...insert your favorite...> like
>Any suggestions? Like, how can I contact someone at Opcode capable of
>fixing this mess? I have past key disks, official school docs, etc.

Try to find a contact with Snapcase...  He never fails.

>>As for extra key disks ("Professionals always have a backup."),..

Any ideas on how to backup key disks????
>Date:    Tue, 14 Jul 1998 04:10:16 -0400
>From:    Roland Hemming <100414.2220@COMPUSERVE.COM>
>Subject: Non MAX stuff
>I hate to even clog up the MAX list with more on this subject and I hate
>to be a boring stick in the mud.
>However this list is mean't to be about MAX. Now I know from time to time
>some of may promote ourselves in some way or mention things that are a
>little off subject but IMHO this =3Dcw4t7abs and Stephen Kay argument has
>gone on for too long. If you want to insult eachother do it privately.
>Also I have never read =3Dcw4t7abs postings as I can't be bothered to
>translate them. Why not just write in English. We have a number of non
>native English speakers who go to great trouble to translate and post
>things to this list without some other quirky language being introduced
>that will undoubtably exclude them too.

I am a non native English speaker and I did take time to
read antiorp's postings.  One thing I noticed.  He's consistent.
I can read them fluently now.

antiorp -->   how do you type in French?  I'd be anxious to see that.
you can answer me privately.


  Michal Seta


  Wagner has good moments but bad quarter-hours.


Date:    Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:38:35 -0700
From:    Tim Perkis 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 13 Jul 1998

>Opcode will not rev the version of the copy protection used for any old
>version of software.  As far as I have been made aware (I do attend the
>weekly tech support meetings) there have been no significant recurring
>problems with the copy protection used for the 3.5.8 Key Disks (the last
>time key disks rev'ed).  Therefore, it is unlikely that there will be any
>changes in the near future to the Copy Protection scheme that is currently
>in place.

I've been silent on this, not wanting to add to the tedious chorus of copy
protection complainers, but this kind of  blindness is just too much. I,
like too many others,  have lost installs and been exceedingly frustrated
and annoyed by the copy protection scheme used in MAX. It is most
definitely NOT satisfactory -- it is an insult to your customers, and an
abuse of their loyalty to an excellent product.

Dongles are a fair solution. They are more expensive, of course, but there
doesn't seem to be another solution that doesn't overburden and shortchange
legitimate users.

Tim Perkis


Date:    Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:08:03 -0700
From:    James Livingston 
Subject: Internationational Customers who are having difficulties...

Internationational Customers who are having difficulties obtaining key
disks from their local distributors in a timely fashion should contact Neil
Ziesing (, the international guy on the sales team.

Bearing in mind  Neil  is directly responsible for the fact that you are
not making music, please explain any problems you may be having, or the
relevant details of your situation in a polite and concise manner.



Date:    Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:06:32 -0700
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: e-mail, lack thereof

My internet "service" provider has decided that its clients'
e-mail service is relatively unimportant and we've had the
priviledge of not being able to access our mail for several
days. There is no end in sight to this situation, although today,
we have been given the number of someone in an area code a hundred
miles away whose voice mailbox is full. At least now we know
they know. If you would like to send me e-mail for any reason, you
can send it to

David Z.


Date:    Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:12:48 +0200
From:    Roland Cahen & Ruth Sefton-Green 
Subject: Re: my last contribution (?)

Don't take it seriously
your contributions are welcome for all of us
art first
yours friendly

Roland Cahen


Date:    Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:37:06 -0400
From:    Nicholas Longo <71477.2332@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: Too Much Fun

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