Subject: MAX Digest - 8 Jul 1998 to 9 Jul 1998 - Special issue
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:56:15 -0400
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There are 9 messages totalling 511 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. crackle on 7200
  2. cd object
  3. MSP-error
  4. Max Externals
  5. WG: Interactive / Multimedia Products you would like to have on t he
     market
  6. krop3rom || a9ff v.0+2     [!short]
  7. Sound problems under systen 8.1
  8. how to make an app (2)

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Date:    Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:13:24 -0500
From:    Marcel Wierckx 
Subject: crackle on 7200

Maxers,

not long ago somebody complained about a crackling noise on their 7600
(I've lost the original post). I have exactly the same problem on my 7200
(system 7.5.5), and David Z. suggested that upgrading to OS 8.1 would fix
it. But does one need to do a complete upgrade or would just installing the
new Soundmanager (ver. 3.3?) do the trick?

Thanks for any help,

Marcel Wierckx

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               Jazz is not dead...it just smells funny.
                                                         - Frank Zappa
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Date:    Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:32:05 +0200
From:    Peter Castine 
Subject: Re: cd object

On Wed, 8 Jul 1998 12:15:53 +0200 Georg Hajdu 
asked:
>
>But isn't there a cd version that can drive ATAPI CD-ROM drives?

Jein.

That was actually what the whole thread has been about.

So, for those who have come late to the show:

The cd object distributed with Max is SCSI only. And, yes, that means it
won't support anything that isn't SCSI (a tautology is something that is
tautological). Read and weep.

David Z. has stated that he is working on an enhanced version that will
support the drives built into Apple's newest machines. And he has noted
[serious] problems implementing some of the cd messages.

Now that people know he's working on an ATAPI capable version of cd, poor
David is probably inundated with requests to "just let me try your
current version." I can well imagine that he doesn't want a thousand
copies of a beta (or possibly alpha or even dev.) version floating around
the world. With good reason.

>I was wondering how I would be using the G3 Powerbook that I just ordered
>the other day.
>Do I really have to attach an external SCSI device?

Georg: I thought you'd heard about how Joachim Stange-Elbe had to go
running around to dig up an external CD-ROM for my Max presentation in
Osnabr=FCck last year.

Short answer: Get yourself an old Apple CD-ROM drive. It will probably
cost you all of DM 50.00. Or make sure that there's a SCSI CD-ROM drive
available whereever you go.

Cheers,

Peter

---------------- http://www.prz.tu-berlin.de/~pcastine/ ----------------
Dr. Peter Castine          | Wal-Mart is to shopping what Buchenwald was
pcastine@prz.tu-berlin.de  | to health spas.           -- Harlan Ellison

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Date:    Thu, 9 Jul 1998 14:20:40 +0200
From:    Hans Tutschku 
Subject: MSP-error

Who knows the meaning of the following error:

*check failed: t_newptr in overdrive

I'm getting it very often - there is no audible click or problem,
but I would like to know the reason.

Thanks,

Hans

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Date:    Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:57:58 -0400
From:    James Garfield 
Subject: Re: Max Externals

> Yes, a printed version came with MAX (v2). Have they quit doing that?

The SDK is on the CD-ROM as a MS Word document (in version 3.5, at
least).

---James

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James Garfield                                      badrats@badrat.com
BadRat Multimedia Productions                    http://www.badrat.com

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Date:    Thu, 9 Jul 1998 15:47:02 +0200
From:    Editorial Department 
Subject: WG: Interactive / Multimedia Products you would like to have on t
he
         market

> Hello,
>
> I'm working at Baerenreiter-Verlag and they have asked me to look in
> to possible multimedia products.  I have a number of ideas, but I
> thought it would be interesting to see what the folks on the Max-List
> thought.  Is there anything that you see a crying need for?  Anything
> where you've been thinking, "Why doesn't somebody offer this?"
> Textbooks?  Reference works?  Analyses / analytical tools?
>
> Baerenreiter is trying to decide if they are going to branch into
> interactive / multimedia publication and if so, to what degree and in
> which direction.  Now is your chance to speak up for what you want.
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> Erick Emde
>
> ps.  I am also sending this to MTO & SMT.  Sorry if some of you get
> duplicates.
>
> Erick Emde
> Lektorat
> Baerenreiter-Verlag
> Heinrich-Schutz-Allee 35-37
> D-34131 Kassel
> Tel. (0561) 3105-137
> Fax  (0561) 3105-220
> e-mail: editorial@baerenreiter.com
>

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Date:    Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:17:39 -0600
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: krop3rom || a9ff v.0+2     [!short]

>I think there aren't too many things
>in the existing digital world
>an artiorp hasn't taken up on

krop3rom || a9ff v.0+2

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The science of noise

- the precise construction/restructuring of noise in an environment
inhabited by representation, relativization and allusion enables the
analysis of the constant barrage of generated noise interpolated with
abstract and vocal social commentary. If the decisive level of social
analysis is in language then this is highly indicative of the move of the
higher societies toward digitization. A collapse of unification through
multiplicity, KROP3ROM||A9FF is an exponent of opposing ideals, of
postmodern artistic and political thought.

KROP3ROM||A9FF is a language game. However the rules are either entirely
non-existent or require a constant updating of intellectual and social
systems knowledge. Most certainly, the positions of speaker (the music
itself), the listener and referent of information (in this context
information replaces the narrative element) create a relation of mutual
exteriority.  A cohesive communicative vehicle it is not, where as a form,
or structure within which a communicative discourse can take place, it
excels if the listener is competent. This work is unavoidably incoherent to
the ill-informed.

Here, the discursive temporality is circular, not linear like most
scientific discourse, and like most complicated musical forms only upon
repeated listening is the information relayed with any clarity. In this
context the work takes on credibility as a commentary on social forces (the
darker nature of much of its length suggests condemnation and support of
fascist values) and scientific language (where it plays its own game - it
is incapable, like science, of legitimizing other language games). The
status of legitimization takes on two tendencies, each of which appear to
extend in conflicting directions. First, it develops its own self
justification with its internal imagery and compositional techniques of
unification through thematic structures (rhythmically and referentially),
confirming its musical cohesion. Secondly, science (the science of computer
music, of social commentary, of politics and economy) expands its relation
to society, or the instrumentality of society. Computerization enables both
these opposing tendencies and Kroperom is circular in its internal
referentiality.

The theory of computerization has provided a model for the system control
that equates contingency with noise. The ideal: to eliminate contingency
and maximize control by the system. The elimination of contingency here
points to the reprezentationality in KROP3ROM||A9FF of social currency.
Perhaps most relevant is the appearance of a sample of the system control
machine Alpha60 from Godard's Alphville. The control of society by a
mainframe computer and its inevitable faults made only apparent with the
arrival of a man from an outside 'democratic' society. Like the
multiplication of sites of power and resistance on the .net and currents in
modern politics and economic management, there seems an effort to
complicate the social and extricate it from the theoretical clutches of
analytic and dialectic reason. KROP3ROM||A9FF redefines noise structure as
a locus of contingency, absence of subject and linguistic uncertainty.

This work exemplifies certain issues brought about due to the emergence of
computerization. A powerful discourse in systems management, as complicated
and formulaic as Hesse's Glass Bead Game, and probably as vague. Though it
may express the foundational theme: that our existence is becoming
increasingly characterized by machines, it challenges the instability of
digitization while remaining within the set itself. A degree in higher
mathematics would be desirable to fully comprehend the chaotic structures
of KROP3ROM||A9FF. The macro points to frameworks similar to fractal
patterns, demonstrating order and presence of pattern in apparently
irregular systems.

In KROP3ROM||A9FF there is no centered subject directing the listener
through a narrative, more a multidimensional logic of deleuzian strata and
assemblages, recalling the disfunctionality of concept and subject. Is
KROP3ROM||A9FF the disciplined consciousness of a scientist or social
theorist? The highly developed non-linearity contextualizes the binary
logic of the current systems as weak, proclaiming an anti-authoritarian
stance. Clearly acknowledging the intertextuality that constitutes social
and musical structures as a proliferation of linguistic instability giving
rise to increasingly unintelligible tendencies, KROP3ROM||A9FF is a radical
non-centered work mitigating the suspect notion of freedom as the flux of
desire.

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- f!lm maTTer

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tezcat.com/~antiorp/75-1200k.mov
tezcat.com/~antiorp/97-2000k.mov
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http://194.19.130.194/spCa/filez/krop3rom_a9ff-humanzsukc.mp3
http://194.19.130.194/spCa/filez/krop3rom_a9ff_trk47.mp3
http://194.19.130.194/spCa/filez/krop3rom_hiv-sekuensz.mp3
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Date:    Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:32:01 -0400
From:    Andrew Davenport BROUSE 
Subject: Sound problems under systen 8.1

Apple has confirmed that there is a bug in 8.1 which can cause some
problems with sound I/O.  A patch is available via ftp:



If you would rather, it is also available on the most recent
MacAddict CD.

This doesn't guarantee to solve all of your sound problems, but, if you are
running 8.1, you should install it nonetheless.

Cheers ;'|

Andrew Brouse
Computer Applications in Music
McGill University
Montreal, Canada

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Date:    Thu, 9 Jul 1998 21:35:55 +0200
From:    flow 
Subject: how to make an app

hello all MAXers.

1.
I'm a newcomer to MAX so don't beat me for this stupid question. I don't
know how to compile an application in max. please tell me how to do it,
what's necessary, and if it's possible send me some sample collective
script for making an app. also I'd like to know some other things I can
do with save as collective.

2.
Is there a way how to receive data from AUDIO-in port (or CD) ?

thanx in advance

flow.

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Date:    Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:03:48 -1000
From:    Rex Brian Coggins 
Subject: Re: how to make an app

flow wrote:

> hello all MAXers.
>
> 1.
> I'm a newcomer to MAX so don't beat me for this stupid question. I don't
> know how to compile an application in max. please tell me how to do it,
> what's necessary, and if it's possible send me some sample collective
> script for making an app. also I'd like to know some other things I can
> do with save as collective.

1] Starting on page 30 of the manual details the procedure. What part (s)
are you having trouble with?

> 2.
> Is there a way how to receive data from AUDIO-in port (or CD) ?

2] MSP is a signal processing extension to Max. Check it out at:

http://www.cycling74.com/

--
Rex Brian Coggins
Technical Exorcist
The Steakhouse Studio
5161 Cartwright Ave., Suite A
North Hollywood, California 91601-4075

(818)985-2620
http://welcome.to/The.Steakhouse
mailto:thesteakhouse@hotmail.com

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