Subject: MAX Digest - 23 Jun 1998 to 24 Jun 1998
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 00:00:44 -0400
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There are 5 messages totalling 163 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. lists of lists
  2. Nubus to PCI (off-topic)
  3. disk protection
  4. List of lists... (2)


Date:    Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:21:28 +0200
From:    "Dr. Karlheinz Essl" 
Subject: Re: lists of lists

Les Stuck  pretended:

> just be aware that no one has ever used lists of lists of lists before
> in the history of music, so that maybe your aesthetics are listing to
> one side.

The idea of nested list might be an abstract concept... But if you view
music composition as structured process of mutual dependencies where groups
of information has to be collected and separated from others, you'll
quickly come the point where you need lists of lists of lists etc.

And of course they have been used in recent music history - at least since
the heroic fifties. The serial concept of "integral composition" - where a
whole piece is deducted from a core material (see Stockhausen: Gruppen) -
would be best described with nested lists.

Personally I use them a lot (not with MAX!), and I would appreciate if this
data structure could be implemented in MAX (although I don't know, how).

Cheers, and happy MAXin'

   Dr. Karlheinz Essl - Composer
   Vienna / Austria
   Studio for Advanced Music & Media Technology


Date:    Wed, 24 Jun 1998 08:27:53 -0500
From:    "Brian K. Shepard" 
Subject: Nubus to PCI (off-topic)

Greetings MAXers,

Please excuse this off-topic post, but this is the most knowledgeable group
of computer and audio folks I know.

I have been given the opportunity to replace my old Quadra with a G3 Mac,
but I can't afford to replace my nubus audio cards (SampleCell II, Session
8) with the PCI versions.  Has anyone had experience with Nubus to PCI
risers?  Is there a good Nubus box that can plug into a PCI slot?  What are
the benefits/problems associated with these risers?

Since this is not directly MAX related, perhaps private responses to would be best.  Thanks.


Dr. Brian K. Shepard
University of Oklahoma
School of Music


Date:    Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:22:05 +0200
From:    marc ravelomanantsoa 
Subject: disk protection

David Zicarelli wrote

> The updated key disk available that has version 3.5.8 or later
> uses "InterLok" copy protection, while the older 3.5 or 3.5.1
> disks use "PACE III" copy protection. If you're concerned about
> losing authorizations, it's probably worth updating your key
> disk and using the version of Max that corresponds to it available
> on the Opcode web site.

I bought Max 3.5.8 and I updated it to 3.5.9 using downloaded updater from
Opcode web site...However, I  am concerned with key disk problem :
My Max was transfered on a JaZ disk. I didn't do the un-authorization
on my system HD before reformating it to migrate to HFS plus .  Okay It is
mistake, but today I can't use the second authorization shot I should
have : "Error while validating the authorization count. The authorization
on your key disk has been corrupted, possibly by a pirating utility. You may
use this diskette as a key, but you can't perform any installations or
removals.   Result code : 107    "

How can I procede : " updating key disk "  ?
Do I have to send my disquette to Opcode ? Opcode USA or is the any officie
that can do that in Europe or France ?
How long this will take ? I will be without  Max for how many days, weeks

> Finally, I will say out of complete self-interest that if
> everyone with copy protection problems started to contact PACE
> instead of the manufacturer of the copy protected software, you
> can forget about seeing any improvements to the copy protection.
> I'm pretty certain that Opcode has all the relevant information
> about PACE as it relates to your software.

I did not hear from Opcode when I told my story few weeks ago .I don't know
what to do "officially" .

At last : I've got an "Academic Edition" of Max (people at IRCAM must
understand what I mean, I am Forum member) .
Waht is that "academic version"  ? Is it limitated ? Perhaps in the number
authorization shot . One shot version  ?


Date:    Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:19:16 +0200
From:    "Philippe Montémont" 
Subject: List of lists...

> Date:    Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:14:46 -0400
> From:    Stephen Kay 
> Subject: Working with lists of lists?
> >My thanks to everyone who answered to my last post. However, no one
> >commented on the possibility of working with lists of lists... =
> The coll object stores a list at each address.  Therefore, you can
> store many "lists of lists".  Check it out...
> Stephen Kay

Hello all,

It is funny but I have the same kind of problem at this time:

I wonder if an object -say a matrix- already exists with this

store a list horizontally, but recall a list vertically, and *ideally*
sorting a list of the highest values of every column...

any idea, anybody?

thanks, bye



Date:    Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:07:16 -0700
From:    James McCartney 
Subject: Re: List of lists...

At 1:19 PM -0700 6/24/98, Philippe Mont=C8mont wrote:

>I wonder if an object -say a matrix- already exists with this
>store a list horizontally, but recall a list vertically, and *ideally*
>sorting a list of the highest values of every column...
>any idea, anybody?

Pyrite can do this.


End of MAX Digest - 23 Jun 1998 to 24 Jun 1998