Subject: MAX Digest - 16 Jun 1998 to 17 Jun 1998
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There are 8 messages totalling 284 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. tossing LEXicon (2)
  2. MSP Feedback Loops (2)
  3. (AudioMedia, G and 23) 3
  4. lexicon sonate double click
  5. Lexicon Authority
  6. max2 creator (was Lexicon Sonate, tossing LEXicon, etc)

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Date:    Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:07:43 +0200
From:    dudas 
Subject: tossing LEXicon

>   ... Meaning, that when I double click one of my patches it
>launches my patch and Lex-Sonate, not MAX. How might I fix this?  It is
>just an irritation since I can open a patch from within MAX.  Will
>tossing LEXicon fix this?

Tossing always seems to help. But getting rid of the Lexicon Sonate and
re-booting should actually do the trick. (you may need to rebuild the
desktop)

If you want to keep the Lex on your hard disk, you could do the following:

1) open the Lexicon Sonate with ResEdit, do a "Get Info" (in the file menu)
for the Lex Sonate and change the application's creator to '????' (instead
of 'max2').

2) Then, find the 'BNDL' resource and delete it. When you save and quit
ResEdit the icon will already be changed to the default Apple application
icon.

3) Not so fast, however! - you now need to restart the Mac and rebuild the
desktop (by holding down the option+command keys while it is finishing
starting up).

These three steps should allow you to double-click on max files and open
them in max, while keeping the Lex on your HD, too.  Verify this by getting
info on a max document and it should say "MaxFAT3.5.9 document".

This whole mess could be avoided if people making standalone applications
would fill in '????' as the creator and tick the checkbox that says "Use
own BNDL resources" in the Max Application Installer app.

Any chance of making these the default options in the next release of the
AppInstaller????

-R

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Date:    Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:40:13 -0500
From:    "Frank L. Thiel" 
Subject: MSP Feedback Loops

A hopefully quick set of MSP questions:

1. I've noticed when trying to create at least one type of feedback loop
that MSP simply disables audio if a patch cord is used for the feedback
loop, but not if send~ and receive~ are used (the specific case was a loop
connecting the output of a comb~ object to the input of a biquad~ object
and the output of the biquad~ through a *~ back to the input of the comb~).
Why is this?

2. I understand the send~ and receive~ objects are global across
sub-patches.  Is there a way to implement sub-patches that keep their
contents local when needing to use send~ and receive~ within the sub-patch?

Thanks in advance for anyone's input on these items.

_____________________________
Frank L. Thiel
School of Music
University of Texas at Austin

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Date:    Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:57:44 -0400
From:    Chris Murtagh Hrdc-drhc 
Subject: (AudioMedia, G and 23) 3

Greetings all,

 Sorry for this slightly off topic post, but I can' t think of a better
bunch to ask this question.  I recently got a deal on an AudioMediaIII card,
 and tried to install it on my G3/233.

 The crappy news:

 VirtualPC 2.0 crashes with a bus error while the AMIII card is installed.

 The bad news:

  The  DigiTest software that came with the card, as well as DigiTest that
came with ProTools 4,  both say 'Machine Not supported', and the program
quits out.

 Worse news:

 The supporting documents for ProTools Project/AMIII, list the machines
that are supported, and says it supports almost all PCI PPCs at any CPU
speed and G3s at 266Mhz (no mention of 233).

Finally the question(s):

 Did I just buy a piece of hardware that won't run in my machine? Has
anyone had any experience (positive?) with AMIII and a G3/233? Otherwise,
this really stinks, and my 3 month old machine is already useless (I should
have spent the extra $200 on the 266 model)!

Any help would really be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Sincerely,

Christopher Murtagh
chris.murtagh@hrdc-drhc.gc.ca
chris@music.mcgill.ca
pctech@cs.mcgill.ca
webmaster@surgenortruck.com
chriseh@islandnet.com
chriseh@comnet.ca
chriseh@newforce.ca

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Date:    Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:13:38 -0500
From:    Elliott Earls 
Subject: lexicon sonate double click

Dude

your Macintosh double click proplem is one of 2 things. a. "EASY =
OPEN" is confused. go up under your controll panel and set him =
straight. or b. Rebuild your desktop. (hold down command-option while =
starting up.

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Date:    Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:59:27 EDT
From:    "SETA,MICHAL,MR" 
Subject: Lexicon Authority

Keay writes
>Hello All,
>  An odd question, possibly ,more suited to the Macintosh Manual than
>to the Max list, but hopefully someone out there will know the best way
>to fix this problem.  I downloaded the Lexicon Sonate to try it out.
>It was very cool and the structure educational. However, now all my
>patched written in MAX show the Lexicon Sonate as their creator
>program.  Meaning, that when I double click one of my patches it
>launches my patch and Lex-Sonate, not MAX. How might I fix this?  It is
>just an irritation since I can open a patch from within MAX.  Will
>tossing LEXicon fix this?

That's a very common problem you will encounter when you make
standalones in Max.  By default, the app maker makes standalones
with a "max2" creator.  You can trash the Lexicon and rebuid the
desktop (hold option+command and restart your computer).

Otherwise you can edit the creator name with RedEdit which
you can get free from shareware.com.  Simply get Info on the
application in question from within ResEdit, change the
creator name to any 4 letter or digit string (even "????"
will do, it's just a generic name), save the info
quit ResEdit and rebuid the desktop.

Hope it helps.

//  MS

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Date:    Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:03:06 +0200
From:    Roby Steinmetzer 
Subject: Re: MSP Feedback Loops

>
>1. I've noticed when trying to create at least one type of feedback loop
>that MSP simply disables audio if a patch cord is used for the feedback
>loop, but not if send~ and receive~ are used (the specific case was a loop
>connecting the output of a comb~ object to the input of a biquad~ object
>and the output of the biquad~ through a *~ back to the input of the comb~).
>Why is this?
>

There is a loop detector build in MSP.
To get around it you can use send~-receive~ or tapin~-tapout~.

>2. I understand the send~ and receive~ objects are global across
>sub-patches.  Is there a way to implement sub-patches that keep their
>contents local when needing to use send~ and receive~ within the sub-patch?
>
It's always possible to name them differently.
Don't forget that you can change the name of the send~-receive~ objects
through
 the _set_ message.

Roby Steinmetzer
Luxembourg, Europe

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Date:    Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:03:18 +0200
From:    Roby Steinmetzer 
Subject: max2 creator (was Lexicon Sonate, tossing LEXicon, etc)

It's absolutely great how helpful people on this list are and I mean it
 seriously.
But how about setting up a FAQ concerning this kind of problems?

Roby Steinmetzer
Luxembourg, Europe

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Date:    Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:28:58 -0400
From:    David Crandall 
Subject: Re: tossing LEXicon

On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, dudas wrote:

> >   ... Meaning, that when I double click one of my patches it
> >launches my patch and Lex-Sonate, not MAX. How might I fix this?  It is
> >just an irritation since I can open a patch from within MAX.  Will
> >tossing LEXicon fix this?
>
> Tossing always seems to help. But getting rid of the Lexicon Sonate and
> re-booting should actually do the trick. (you may need to rebuild the
> desktop)

I've been using the "change new app's creator date to earlier than Max
(File Buddy), then restart and rebuild the desktop" method for a while
now, works great for me. Did this change with version 3.5.x or System 8?

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