Subject: MAX Digest - 5 Jun 1998 to 6 Jun 1998
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There are 7 messages totalling 465 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Powerbook I/O
  2. !nt gum nt
  3. fft
  4. [CORRECTED: PLEASE READ! i.e.] Art Street Festival, Boston (8/98)
  5. audio interface Mac driver
  6. Numerical properties of random and clocker objects
  7. MAX Digest - 4 Jun 1998 to 5 Jun 1998

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Date:    Sat, 6 Jun 1998 09:48:05 +0200
From:    "Dr. Karlheinz Essl" 
Subject: Re: Powerbook I/O

Hi Lawrence! Dear MAXers!

Sveral months ago I started a discussion with Matt Ward from E-MU regarding
a Mac driver for the sound PC Card. He told me that there is not a big
market for it and E-MU decided not to write the desired Mac driver.

Anyway, if there is enough interest for such a product, maybe E-MU will
change its mind. I suggest to contact Matt Ward

        mailto:matt_ward@emu.com

and discuss this topic with him.

Cheers,
   --- Karlheinz

   Dr. Karlheinz Essl - Composer
   Vienna / Austria
   Studio for Advanced Music & Media Technology
   http://www.essl.at/

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Date:    Sat, 6 Jun 1998 03:01:15 -0600
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: !nt gum nt

                        PERFORMANCE PROGRAMMING

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>Richard Zvonar, PhD
>You have my sympathies.

zur.pr!sz.

>Roby Steinmetzer
>Could someone please post a way how to crack copy protection systems?

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Art Street Festival, August 1998, Boston
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From:    Bob Gluck 
Just a quick note to let people know about my new recording, about to be=
=0Areleased on the Electronic Music Foundation label.
'setxy L-character-EYES 148 169',
 Would that would fix
my problems on the output side?
'hide ground',
'setframe L-character-ARMS 53'.

CD is called =93Stories Heard and Retold=94 (EMF 008). =

== esoteric stuff [name tag]

Suggestions for posting the fuller press release are welcome--just send m=
e an=0Aemail note.

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Date:    Sat, 6 Jun 1998 11:02:34 +0100
From:    Jem Finer 
Subject: fft

Cross Dog uses convolution - straightforward multiplication.
Convolution Workshop uses convolution - fft of one signal * amplitude of
the other (as does cross synthesis example)

I'm trying to get a handle on all this - are there different types of
convolution therefore or is one not "true convolution" ?

Are there any more fft tutorials/examples on the horizon ?

Another question :
I thought (obviously incorrectly !) that maybe if I input one signal with a
hum on it I wanted to remove and input the hum by itself on another input
that having fft'd both I could subtract the hum amplitude from the original
signals fft and get a clean signal - oops !

How do I do it ?

The book everyone talks of, the Ramirez one, is kind of pricey over here in
the UK. Does it answer these sort of questions ?

Thanks,

Jem Finer

Kentish Town
London NW5
finer@easynet.co.uk

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Date:    Sat, 6 Jun 1998 08:49:54 -0400
From:    Fleur de Vie Weinstock 
Subject: Re: [CORRECTED: PLEASE READ! i.e.] Art Street Festival, Boston
(8/98)

Just another note in response to some replies: please feel free to forward
this message to anyone you know who would be interested to learn about it.
Thanks!  --fdvw

On Fri, 5 Jun 1998, Fleur de Vie Weinstock wrote:

>       I accidently sent the message yesterday about the Art Street
>       Festival before I had finished writing it.  There is important
>       information that I added where I left off in yesterday's message,
>       so please read through the document below if you are at all
>       curious!  Thank you.  --fdvw
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
> Subject: Art Street Festival, August 1998, Boston
>
>       Hi.  I am writing on behalf of Art Street, Inc., in hopes of
> discovering performers and volunteers to help put together/participate in
> the Art Street Festival which will take place for the whole month of
> August on City Hall Plaza in Boston.  The Art Street Festival will be
> free, and will include noontime performances every weekday, an open air
> gallery, and a day (Aug. 20, Thursday) with a chalk sidewalk drawing
> fundraiser, along with a fair featuring Boston arts organizations. Art
> Street, Inc. and the Art Street Festival is headed and inspired by street
> artist Sidewalk Sam.
>       Are you interested in performing?  The free Lunchtime Performances
> will happen on every weekday in August on City Hall Plaza.  The current
> idea is to have an hour concert of three 20 minute performances by
> different groups, every weekday from about noon 'til 1.  Dance, poetry,
> music, storytelling, performance art, ...  If you would like to perform,
> please answer by responding to the "Performance Programming" form at the
> end of this message.  Sometime before August, we at Art Street, Inc. will
> put together a game plan of performances, and let you know if we are
> hoping to have you.
>       Also, we would like to have 70 to 80 volunteers to help with the
> special events (Chalk One Up For The Arts sidewalk drawing fundraiser, and
> a Get To Know Boston Arts fair) on August 20th (raindate August 21st).  If
> you are even slightly curious about assisting with this, just email back
> your contact information (name, phone, email, address), and we'll contact
> you with more information.
>       Also, if you are interested in being a more general volunteer:
> perhaps you are interested in helping put together the Art Street Festival
> from the ground up.  If this is the case, please also respond with contact
> information (name, phone, email, address) and an expression of interest.
> The Art Street Festival is a forum looking to bring many expressions of
> art more into everyday life, and the everyday life of anyone who can be in
> City Hall Plaza on some weekday of August.  Free street art is both a way
> of giving opportunities to artists and reevaluating the way society
> conceptualizes and creates the "street."  Offering events that make no
> economic requirements of the audience allows for more inclusive and
> potentially more powerful art.  Do you believe art should be more
> accessible, and more plentiful?
>       We look forward to hearing from many of you.  Email is the most
> convenient way to receive a response, but you can also call or write me.
>
> Fleur de Vie Weinstock
weinstoc@fas.harvard.edu
> Associate of Art Street, Inc.
> 3 Sacramento St
> Cambridge MA  02138
> 617.493.6631
>
> _________________________________________________________________________
> Here is the Performance Programming form.  Please respond to it if you are
> interested in performing.  (We will formulate a game plan of performances
> later in the summer, and get back to you if we would like you to be one
> the pieces in the puzzle.)
>
>
>                         PERFORMANCE PROGRAMMING
>
>
> TYPE OF PERFORMANCE: _____________________________________________________
> GROUP NAME (HOW THEY WILL BE LISTED IN PROGRAM) __________________________
> __________________________________________________________________________
> CONTACT PERSON: __________________________________________________________
> TELEPHONE #: ______________________ EMAIL: _______________________________
> ADDRESS: _________________________________________________________________
> INSTITUTION AFFILIATION: _________________________________________________
> CONNECTION TO ART STREET: ________________________________________________
> __________________________________________________________________________
> DESCRIPTION OF PERFORMANCE: ______________________________________________
> __________________________________________________________________________
> __________________________________________________________________________
> __________________________________________________________________________
> LENGTH OF PERFORMANCE: ___________________________________________________
> NUMBER OF GROUP MEMBERS: _________________________________________________
> EQUIPMENT NEEDS: _________________________________________________________
> __________________________________________________________________________
> __________________________________________________________________________
> __________________________________________________________________________
> OTHER NEEDS: _____________________________________________________________
> __________________________________________________________________________
> __________________________________________________________________________
>
> AVAILABILITY
> AVAILABLE DATES: _________________________________________________________
> AVAILABLE TIMES: _________________________________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Date:    Sat, 6 Jun 1998 15:12:23 +0200
From:    Andreas Weixler 
Subject: audio interface Mac driver

>>E-mu makes a PC Card audio interface/synth, but they've been resistant
>>to making a Mac driver for it. Maybe if they had a lot of people
>>bugging them about it.
>
>Anyone know who is best to bug?
>
>Lawrence

Yes please, if someone knows whom to bug, put it on the list.
We really are longing for a mobil multichanneling system,
and why don=B4t Macs have a standart SPDIF link ? (Only the next high price
Macs will have by now - and Video-S, which is a similar topic to me), now
with msp it is even more urgent.

all the best Andreas

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Date:    Sat, 6 Jun 1998 15:33:17 +0200
From:    Peter Castine 
Subject: Re: Numerical properties of random and clocker objects

On 5-6-1998 22:21, Trond & Laila Linde Lossius wrote in reply to my
suggestion:

>>Why not send a counter a set 2147483647 message, then bang it once to see
>>what happens?
>
>It starts counting from zero and up again. According to the manual "if
>there are no arguments, the direction is up, the minimum is 0, and there
>is no maximum". Apparently the last is not true, MAX_LONG is used as
>maximum.

Interesting. That means Max is actually doing some bounds checking. Note
that the processor doesn't do this: most, if not all, processors simply
treat all arithmetic as modulo a large power of 2: either 2^16, 2^32, or
2^64... and either treating all quantities as unsigned [0 .. (2^n)-1] or
as signed [-(2^(n-1)) .. (2^(n-1))-1].

Ah! I suspect Max _is_ checking if the current value of counter is
outside the range of the counter's mininum and maximum values, then it
gets moved to within range. The default maximum value is MAX_LONG (there
isn't anything bigger than that that the processor can handle as an
integer), the default mininum is 0, and, as far as Max and your Mac's
processor are concerned:

  2147483647 + 1 = -2147483648

which is true, modulo 4294967296. But the result, -2147483648, calculates
as less than the counter's minumum, so it gets bumped up to 0.

As for the docs being inaccurate: once you've been inured to how the
innards of computers work, "there is no maximum" reads as "the maximum is
whatever the processor can handle". But, yes, confusing if you're not
forewarned.

As interesting as all of this is, I am reminded that you were talking
about letting your project run for several weeks at a time. I would
suspect that your Mac may crash before you get as far as that. You may
find that you have to program your machine to reboot every day or so
(perhaps at some time in the morning when no one will be listening).

Cheers,

Peter

--------------- http://www.prz.tu-berlin.de/~pcastine/ ---------------
Dr. Peter Castine             |  The light at the end of the tunnel is
pcastine@prz.tu-berlin.de     |  usually a No Exit sign.

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Date:    Sat, 6 Jun 1998 14:35:33 EDT
From:    Bruce Meng 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 4 Jun 1998 to 5 Jun 1998

In a message dated 98-06-06 00:01:38 EDT, you write:

<<
 >AFAIK (as far as I know) AOK is not an actual acronym, but simply
 >a (not so contemporary) idiom where AOK =3D very much OK.

 I first heard this used by NASA astronauts and launch crews in the early
'60s. >>

Goes back even further.  Used by early jet test pilots to both acknowledge
an instruction (A) and to reply that it's implementation was successful (OK)
While one was flying around, making high-G turns, and trying to flip
switches on command, AOK was used as an abreviated reply.  May
possibly have been started by the British as early as WWI.

The use of OK  to mean all right goes back to an early president (Andrew
Jackson?) who's nickname was "Old Hickory".  He used to sign off on
directive's with "OH" -- in his haste, the "H" ended up looking like a "K".
His aides would simply say that the president said it was "OK" to proceed
and it grew from there.

Sorry for the extended folklore......

R B Meng

PS  Does anybody know who in the name of Sam Hill is Sam Hill??

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