Subject: MAX Digest - 1 Jun 1998 to 2 Jun 1998
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 00:00:14 -0400
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There are 11 messages totalling 276 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. unexpected quit?
  2. 874r87ir
  3. Gibson buys Opcode (2)
  4. Max networx / OpenSoundControl
  5. QuickTime Musical Instruments (2)
  6. Concert Announcement
  7. audio i/o channels
  8. Problem printing msp documentation
  9. teczas sugar


Date:    Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:04:16 -0700
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: Re: unexpected quit?

Don Jenczka  writes:

>Kind of a newbie here.  I've written a MAX patch to allow me to display the
>currently selected state of the Opcode Studio 5 interface.

>My problem is that every so often Max will unexpectedly quit, error -39.
>Funny thing is that it will quit without any sort of activity happening at
>the time. The system is just sitting there,idle, during a dialogue section
>of the show.

Error -39 is rather strange as far as unexpected quitting goes. It
means "end of file" error. Max probably isn't reading any files at the
time. The fact that it happens after an hour is lovely too. I
wish I could be more helpful beyond the typical suggestions of
eliminating inits. The combination of Max plus Vision on a 5300
doesn't give me a lot of warm feelings, but I have nothing specific
to warn about.

In any case, once you see the unexpectedly quit dialog with Max, you
need to restart your computer, because when the "OS" quits "unexpectedly"
out of Max, it doesn't properly shut down OMS and other drivers,
and any further attempt to use Max with OMS will fail. There is no
way around this.

David Z.


Date:    Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:34:34 -0700
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: Re: 874r87ir

=cw4t7abs  "explains" that saving a patcher
with a hidden number~ object (the MSP signal monitor/generator number
box) produces a corrupt file. So, until my exciting new MSP
release comes out with lots and lots of new things and bug fixes (as
early as the end of this week!), please refrain from hiding
number~ objects. If this does happen to you, you could probably
edit the file as text and fix it, or send it to me and I'll
fix it.

David Z.


Date:    Mon, 1 Jun 1998 23:53:01 -0700
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: Re: Gibson buys Opcode

I am no longer employed by Gibson or Opcode, although I have
worked for both companies in the past (Gibson in 1995 and Opcode
in 1996). This deal has been in the works for a number of months, and
as far as I can tell, Opcode is currently being run as if it continued
to be an independent company, so I would expect few if any changes
in the short term.

As far as Max goes, I don't have any reason to expect any major changes.

David Z.


Date:    Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:53:59 -0500
From:    Matthew Davidson 
Subject: Re: Gibson buys Opcode

>Just hope the R&D includes Max.

Actually, it is my perception that Opcode only grudgingly tolerated Max
in their product line. While tI have found some Max-heads in Opcode tech
support, I don't feel that the company was ever fully behind the product
at any time.  I would prefer to see Max brought under cycling '74 and
their superior product philosophy. Personally, I would rather deal with
David Z than Gibson. It all comes down to the Max community's loyal
support of the product.  At any rate, this is only my perception and I
could be way off base.


Date:    Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:47:01 -0400
From:    Michael Sweet 
Subject: Re: Max networx / OpenSoundControl

Jeff Burns writes:

>About a year ago, David Z. told us that the best way to connect computers
>running a program that is optimized for midi - like Max - is midi. I have
>strung together a ppc and a quadra, both running Max, using 2 midi
>interfaces, with perfect results.

That was my other alternative but I'm actually not doing midi with this max
patch (or at least not enough of it to count).

I finally got the OTUDP object to work on my PPC, and it seems to work fine
although I'm a little miffed by OpenSoundControl.  Whenever I try to send a
capitol letter across the network it comes out on the other end as a large
float.  Can anyone clue me in as to how OpenSoundControl works?


--Michael Sweet


Date:    Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:33:48 -0400
From:    Robert M Miller 
Subject: QuickTime Musical Instruments

A while back someone mentioned freeware with the capabilities of
building unique quicktime instruments. I can't find the posting now that I
need it. Could somebody repost the info and web site for this stuff?


Date:    Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:03:17 +0200
From:    Roby Steinmetzer 
Subject: Re: QuickTime Musical Instruments

>A while back someone mentioned freeware with the capabilities of
>building unique quicktime instruments. I can't find the posting now that I
>need it. Could somebody repost the info and web site for this stuff?

I suppose this is what you are looking for:

There is also a website which is longing for an update:

Roby Steinmetzer
Luxembourg, Europe


Date:    Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:32:54 -0700
From:    Martin Gotfrit 
Subject: Concert Announcement

Dear fellow max&mspers,
A brief note about a concert of live electroacoustic music, Wed. June 3rd
at the Vogue theatre here in Vancouver - part of the Vancouver
International music Festival. Of interest is a new piece by me (called
Story-Time) which has a G3 composing and performing a MIDI score in real
time - accompanying a series of MSP patches "telling" the story of Babar
the elephant.  The sound files are processed in real time using variations
on the comb filter and various plug-ins. As performer I've modified a mac
keyboard to look like a story book with which I'm conducting the various
activities. Samples of various talking toys (Arthur, Barney, etc.)
interrupt the process as well. Thanks to all for their advice and
particularly Peter Elsea, K@rlheinz Essl, Stephen Kay and others for their
invaluable objects and to David for supporting/making the software which I
base my artwork on.


Martin Gotfrit, Associate Prof., Music Area,
Simon Fraser University, School for the Contemporary Arts
Burnaby B.C. * V5A 1S6 * 604-291-3517/fax/5907


Date:    Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:40:40 -0700
From:    jhno 
Subject: audio i/o channels

>+ msg 2 adc + dac 2 open w!ndow 2 set !nput|output target

yes, actually this points to a more complex issue: if i am making an MSP
application to give to other people, and i want to support all possible
audio cards, what is the best way to architect the adc~/dac~ layers?

it would be nice if adc~/dac~ took a message like "assign 5 6", which would
set  the object's inlets or outlets to the corresponding inputs or outputs
of the audio card - in this case, perhaps the first two channels of the
adat i/o of a korg 1212.

at the moment i would have to make an object with something like

adc~ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12

and use a complex network of switchers to get the two channels the user
wants. isn't one big problem with this that such an object uses lots of cpu
or memory to maintain all those i/o channels?

any ideas welcome -

(who made an audiomedia III specific version of his looper msp app recently
for someone who wanted digital i/o...)

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Date:    Tue, 2 Jun 1998 23:09:55 -0000
From:    Frederic Murray 
Subject: Problem printing msp documentation

Excuse my english

Dear Maxers!
This is a little bit off-topic but you are my last chance. I want to begin
working with msp demo. I want to print the msp documentation for read it
but I have some trouble. When printing the text is just scramble (words
words). I have the good page setup for my paper, I have also try 70% for
the laser printer is ok (I printed other documents and all is ok), paper
orientation is ok, so everything seem ok but...
I also try Acrobat Reader 2.5 (or 2.0 maybe?) and 3.0 but nothing change.
Anyone have idea?

Thank you for any help

Frederic Murray
Etudiant en musique
Universite Laval, Quebec


Date:    Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:30:31 -1000
From:    Rex Brian Coggins 
Subject: Re: teczas sugar

Automatic digest processor wrote:

> From:    =cw4t7abs 
> Subject: teczas suger
> **********************
>     PressRelease                                  Friday May 29th, 1998
>     ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>     Gibson purchases Opcode, leading music software and hardware
> manufacturer...

I'll bet anyone a quarter that Gibson will never get Opcode to roll a Galaxy
Plus Editor for the OB-Mx, Xpander or Matrix 12.

Oh, I forgot, that's one the reasons I picked up MAX!
Rex Brian Coggins
Technical Exorcist

The Steakhouse Studio
5161 Cartwright Avenue, Suite A
North Hollywood, CA 91601-4075

phone: (818)985-2620


End of MAX Digest - 1 Jun 1998 to 2 Jun 1998