Subject: MAX Digest - 12 May 1998 to 13 May 1998 - Special issue
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There are 13 messages totalling 509 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. MAX Digest - 11 May 1998 to 12 May 1998
  2. telephone tones
  3. MOO york city - PEFORMANCE
  4. MOO york city - PERFORMANCE
  5. 
  6. MSP - AMIII - Studio 4 (2)
  7. key disk copy protection/PowerBooks with no floppy drives
  8. Forum Ircam workshop at CNMAT
  9. "phone tones" to MIDI
 10. Japanese Engineers
 11. msp - audiomedia iii
 12. Installation of MAX 3.5

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Date:    Wed, 13 May 1998 01:40:02 EDT
From:    RBMengMail 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 11 May 1998 to 12 May 1998

In a message dated 98-05-13 00:02:53 EDT, you write:

<< True.  But after personally talking to some 10,000+ MIDI users, not to
 mention having looked at half a dozen mailling lists over the years I can
 tell you with certainty that 99% of them are male.  If you want to factor
 in the percentage of MIDI users who write CODE, we're talking in the
 neighborhood of 1% of 1% female.  My women friends say it has something to
 do with testosterone.  Also a sexist remark.  I think it's that writing
 code
 isn't glamorous.  Who knows though, maybe anti-orp will change that.
  >>

In Japan, I'm told, it's just the opposite.   Writing software is considered
"women's work" -- men become engineers and work primarily on hardware.
While I'm not an authority on eastern culture, this coupled with a written
language that makes precise technical definitions difficult to express, may
explain some of the bizarre implementations of logic in the human interfaces
of many of the synth's, VCR's, and TV remote controls that are built in that
part
of the world.  We've all read manuals from Roland and Yamaha.  Just thank
the
gods that "antiorp" isn't a tech writer for Kurzweil -- regardless of
he/she/its/their?
gender or lack there of -- of which I'm personally going to try not to
wonder
about.

Please note that the above is not necessarily a fact or my opinion, just a
speculation....

-R B Meng-

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Date:    Tue, 12 May 1998 22:44:30 -0700
From:    Ken Gregory 
Subject: telephone tones

>
>Anyone have any suggestions on converting phone tones to MIDI?  Is there a
>way to use a modem and the serial object?  I'd like to avoid pitch
>recognition, since this will be for a mac 2ci.  However, if someone can
>recommend a readily available pitch-to-midi box, that would be great (it
>just seems that this type of really great thing is somewhat scarce).  I'm
>trying to find a good solution to the problem of having to go to a wedding
>that is about 600 miles from a show I'd like to play in.

Hello Peter,

Pitch to MIDI probably wouldn't work well because the tones coming from the
phone are dual tones; (Dual Tone Multiple Frequency) DTMF. Basically every
time you push a key on the phone you get 2 frequencies, a high tone and a
low tone.  And not musically scaled.  That's it in a nutshell. You'd be
better off using a couple of modems and sending ASCII characters.

If you or anybody wants a more detailed description e me. I built a DTMF to
serial decoder using a Basic Stamp. Kind of tricky but it works.

Cheers,
ken

Ken Gregory     kgregory@pangea.ca
704-138 Portage Ave. East
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada R3C 0A1
ph. 204-942-7510  fax 204-942-1555

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Date:    Wed, 13 May 1998 02:02:23 -0400
From:    Richard Zvonar 
Subject: Re: MOO york city - PEFORMANCE

On Tue, 12 May 1998 15:04:50 -0500 Elliott Earls
 wrote:

>I'll
>be performing at a theatre called HERE in SOHO this saturday may 16th
>at 4:00PM.

If John Reaves is still there (at HERE) please say hello from me. I did a
telemusic event with them several years ago (MIDI via modem). A group at
HERE jammed with our group in Los Angeles (performing in the Pacific Bell
corporate auditorium!). We used Max and MidiModem for communication an
event processing.

______________________________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD                              zvonar@LCSaudio.com
(818) 788-2202 voice                             zvonar@well.com
(818) 788-2203 fax                               zvonar@alum.mit.edu

                          http://www.well.com/~zvonar

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Date:    Wed, 13 May 1998 01:59:45 -0400
From:    Nicholas Longo <71477.2332@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: MOO york city - PERFORMANCE

<<(anyone with a beef feel free to flame me off the list.)

I don't think anyone gets flamed off this list.  A few leave in
dismay or frustration though.

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Date:    Wed, 13 May 1998 01:54:12 -0600
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: 

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Date:    Wed, 13 May 1998 11:01:13 +0200
From:    Robert Henke 
Subject: MSP - AMIII - Studio 4

Dear 1000 male MAX users ...

Two days ago i posted my MSP versus AM III problems on the list and
yesterday Martin Gotfrit did add another strange problem concerning MAX
(msp ?) and the Studio 4.

My point is, that i have big trouble with my Opcode Studio 4 since a while
and i thougt it`s a hardwareproblem of the Studio 4.
Interessting enough there is a match of the appearence of the problems and
the time i installed MSP.
Maybe there is no correlation  -  but maybe there IS ONE ???

..............__________.................____-----______
                                R o b e r t    H e n k e
i m b a l a n c e   computer  music
              imbalance@snafu.de

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Date:    Wed, 13 May 1998 10:01:42 -0000
From:    Nick Rothwell 
Subject: Re: key disk copy protection/PowerBooks with no floppy drives

> Excuse my english.
> I am not sure but: plug your powerbook in scsi with another computer and
> authorize your new hard disk...

[FX: maniacal, hysterical laughter.]

That won't work. The copy protection marks the boot volume with a
hashed signature of the booting environment. You can only install MAX
using the exact environment you'll use to run it. No PowerBook
docking, no alternate System Folders, no moving of hard disks from one
machine to another, no nothing.

--
        Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL            contemporary dance projects
        http://www.cassiel.com            music synthesis and control

        NOTICE - this vessel has triple screws - keep clear of blades

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Date:    Wed, 13 May 1998 10:11:16 -0000
From:    Nick Rothwell 
Subject: Re: MSP - AMIII - Studio 4

> My point is, that i have big trouble with my Opcode Studio 4 since a while
> and i thougt it`s a hardwareproblem of the Studio 4.

I've been using a Studio 4 with OMS 1.2.3, MAX 3.0 and lots of other
stuff for years now without any problems. This is 68030/68040 Macs
though, in case that's significant.

--
        Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL            contemporary dance projects
        http://www.cassiel.com            music synthesis and control

        NOTICE - this vessel has triple screws - keep clear of blades

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Date:    Wed, 13 May 1998 14:52:15 +0100
From:    Vincent Puig 
Subject: Forum Ircam workshop at CNMAT

FORUM IRCAM SOFTWARE WORKSHOPS
First US edition jointly organized by CNMAT and IRCAM
July 6-7, 1998 - CNMAT, Berkeley, CA.

Forum IRCAM was created in September 1993 and today has about 1000 users
world-wide. The Forum's activities are organized in three thematic groups :
Computer Aided Composition, Sound Design and Real Time Performance.

The main goal of this Forum Workshop is to present the most recent features
and applications of IRCAM software available in each of its thematic groups
:
- Computer Aided Composition
Patchwork and OpenMusic : programmable graphic environments for editing and
manipulating musical structures.
- Sound Design
AudioSculpt : sound analysis, processing and synthesis, Modalys : synthesis
based on physical models, Diphone : for building musical phrases from a
dictionary of analysis segments.
- Real Time Performance
MAX and MSP Applications such as Spat (IRCAM 3D audio technology) and
theJimmies (former ISPW DSP modules).

This workshop will concentrate on Macintosh applications but other
platforms developments such as Spat (IRCAM's real-time 3D audio system in
the Max/FTS environment on SGI) will be presented.

Monday July 6, 1998 - 10:00 to 18:00

The first day of this workshop will be dedicated to IRCAM's presentations
featuring :
- General introduction to the Forum (Vincent Puig)
- PatchWork and OpenMusic (Richard Dudas)
- Diphone (Xavier Rodet)
- AudioSculpt and Modalys (Richard Dudas)
- Spat (Jean Marc Jot)
- MAX and MSP applications (Richard Dudas)
- Studio Online - IRCAM's sound and sound processing server project
(Vincent Puig)

For each piece of software a quick introduction will be proposed for
new-comers and new features and applications will then be emphasized,
although knowledge of the software will not be a pre-requisite.

19:00 Forum reception

Tuesday July 7, 1998 - 10:00 to 18:00

The second day is open to presentations of software applications, musical
compositions, videos or sound installations (especially from CNMAT) which
make use of IRCAM tools (1/2 to 1 hour). Other software applications
related to the
Forum groups will be considered (especially those using CNMAT tools). MSP
applications and projects are highly welcomed.

David Zicarelli will be a special guest of this workshop and will present
the latest developments of MSP.

20:00 Concert

Proposals (abstract and equipment needed) should be sent by email, fax or
regular mail before June 22, 1998 using the form available at :
www.ircam.fr/cnmat-workshops) or this one :

REGISTRATION FORM

The FORUM workshops are usually open to FORUM members only. However, for
its first edition in the US, these workshops will be exceptionally freely
open to all
participants.

Last name :                             First name :

Organization :

Address :

Telephone :                     Fax :
Email:

0 I wish to participate in the Forum IRCAM software workshops jointly
organized by CNMAT and IRCAM on July 6 - July 7, 1998.

0 I wish to present the following work during the workshops:

(please send a short abstract and a list of the equipment you need)

Proposals must be sent before June 22, 1998.
Registration form must be sent before June 29, 1998 to :

CNMAT
1750 Arch Street
Berkeley, CA 94709-1328
Fax : 510 642 7918
email : richard@cnmat.berkeley.edu

Vincent Puig
IRCAM
1 place Igor Stravinsky
75004 Paris
France
Tel: 01 44 78 49 59
Fax: 01 44 78 15 40
email : puig@ircam.fr

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Date:    Wed, 13 May 1998 10:34:12 -0400
From:    David Bianciardi 
Subject: Re: "phone tones" to MIDI

Peter Nyboer wrote on 5/13/98 12:01 AM:

>
>Anyone have any suggestions on converting phone tones to MIDI?

I imagine that by phone tones you mean the dual frequency DTMF tones
generated by touch tone keypads.  There are several companies that
manufacture DTMF to serial boxes, cards, and projects.  My company has
generally stuck to the more professional (read: expensive) solutions for
jobs where we've used them, but you should be able to get away with a
<$100 standalone that will talk to your Max serial object.  I'm not in
the office, but will put a couple contact #s on a subsequent posting.

>Is there a way to use a modem and the serial object?

I'd imagine you could "at" command a modem into calling another computer
using the serial object...hmmm sounds like fun.

>I'm trying to find a good solution to the problem of having to go to a
wedding
>that is about 600 miles from a show I'd like to play in.

meaning you want to remotely control max?  what about MIDIPhone?  if
you're doing anything simultaneous, or playing polyphonically, i don't
think the DTMF box will work, as it's designed to respond to a tone at a
time...

David Bianciardi
tech@idrc.com

212.353.9087
212.353.3947 fax
___________________________________________________________
IDRC || 415 Lafayette St || 2nd floor || NYC, NY 10003-7000

#include 

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Date:    Wed, 13 May 1998 11:17:09 -0400
From:    Stephen Kay 
Subject: Japanese Engineers

>In Japan, I'm told, it's just the opposite.   Writing software is
considered
>"women's work" -- men become engineers and work primarily on hardware.

>-R B Meng-

Who "told" you that?

I've been to Japan maybe 15 times over the last 8 years, doing consulting=
 =

work for KORG, and I can tell you that there was only 1 woman in the enti=
re
voicing/engineering department who was other than a secretary.  I'm sure
the 50 or so male engineers would find it highly amusing that all the
software they work on day in and day out is "women's work".  And I'm "tol=
d"
that KORG is far more liberal than Yamaha or Roland.

Stephen Kay

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Date:    Wed, 13 May 1998 10:06:31 -0700
From:    Peter Elsea 
Subject: Re: msp - audiomedia iii

>Sometimes after using msp i am not able to get any digital out from the AM
>III via Protools.

I've experienced the same: Sometimes when I reboot after a crash the digi
init puts up a warning:
"The Digisetup file is corrupt and has been renamed Digisetup.old and
should be removed. You should run setup in your Digidesign programs."
(They mean it about trashing that  old file- If you don't, you  won't be
able to launch after the next crash.)
Perhaps it's only catching the gross problems and little things like a
hosed spdif output aren't noticed.
Many of my crashes are on exit from Max, possibly when msp is attempting to
put things back.
It seems particularly touchy when I have sound manager routed to the card
(Riven sounds great that way.)

By the way, Opcode has just posted OMS 2.3.4. It has new drivers for XTC-64
and 128, but the timecode problems discussed last week still haven't been
fixed. There's also a ROM upgrade for the XTC-64 available.

Peter Elsea
Electronic Music Studios
University of California, Santa Cruz
http://arts.ucsc.edu/EMS/Music/index.html
 elsea@cats.ucsc.edu

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Date:    Wed, 13 May 1998 11:34:31 -0700
From:    James Livingston 
Subject: Re: Installation of MAX 3.5

>
>Date:    Tue, 12 May 1998 15:04:19 +0100
>From:    Thorsten Olscha 
>Subject: Installation of MAX 3.5
>
>Dear Max Users!
>I finally got the upgrade from 3.0 to 3.5.
>My german distributor told me (because of an old installion disk) to
install
>it under System 7.5.
>So I did on an external SCSI Volume.
>But when I tried to use MAx under 8.1 he want the original masterdisk.
>When I do insert it:Crash!
>After the second attempt my mac even wont read the masterdisk but format
it!
>And do need it very urgent! Because of MSP!
>I would be apreciate for ervery hint!
>

If you get MAX 3.5.9 from your distributor this should resolve the problem
that you are having, which is related to an incompatability between the
older version of the copy protection software used on earlier versions of
MAX and MacOS 8.

-James Livingston
Opcode Systems Quality Assurance

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