Subject: MAX Digest - 30 Apr 1998 to 1 May 1998
Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 00:01:46 -0400
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There are 7 messages totalling 228 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Midi Manager/OMS (2)
  2. Midi Manager come back
  3. I got your Max right here
  4. computer too slow for MSP
  5. serial object
  6. newbie question

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Date:    Fri, 1 May 1998 10:16:57 +0200
From:    Oeyvind Brandtsegg 
Subject: Midi Manager/OMS

Nick Rothwell typed:

> I like the old PowerBooks: they seem a lot more robust than the newer
> ones. You'll need MIDI Manager 2.0.2 (I think) in order for the serial
> port stuff to work properly; or you could do what I do, and run MIDI
> Manager with OMS 1.2.3.
>

Maybe I'm just totally out of tune, but I thought that OMS without Midi
Manager
woulddo fine. Are you using this combination with max 3.0 or 3.5 ?
Would the MM/OMS combination do any better than just OMS on my PB 540 with
max
 3.5
and system 7.1 ?

Oeyvind Brandtsegg

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Date:    Fri, 1 May 1998 11:03:07 -0000
From:    Nick Rothwell 
Subject: Re: Midi Manager/OMS

> Maybe I'm just totally out of tune, but I thought that OMS without
> Midi Manager woulddo fine.

It does, but for those of us who are rabid fans of sleekware and hence
using OMS 1.2.3, there's no built-in inter-application comms, so MIDI
Manager serves that purpose.

Also, there are bits of MIDI Manager software out there which don't
understand OMS. (Doug Wyatt's MIDI Logger, for one.)

> Are you using this combination with max 3.0 or 3.5 ?

3.0.

> Would the MM/OMS combination do any better than just OMS on my PB
> 540 with max 3.5 and system 7.1 ?

MIDI Manager adds functionality to OMS 1.2.3. (You don't use MIDI
Manager's serial drivers at all, just its routing and connection
facilities.) I use it on my PowerBook 520, System 7.6, without
problems.

--
        Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL            contemporary dance projects
        http://www.cassiel.com            music synthesis and control

        NOTICE - this vessel has triple screws - keep clear of blades

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Date:    Fri, 1 May 1998 06:13:03 -0700
From:    Philip Aker 
Subject: Midi Manager come back

Nick Rothwell writes,

> > I wound up with an old PB145B as a gift, and followed your
> > remarks from some time ago about a "frozen system". 7.1, Midi
> > Manager in this case. Works great, and sure beats lugging
> > around the SE/30 I was using as a 'portable' before that.

> I like the old PowerBooks: they seem a lot more robust than the
> newer ones. You'll need MIDI Manager 2.0.2 (I think) in order
> for the serial port stuff to work properly; or you could do
> what I do, and run MIDI Manager with OMS 1.2.3.

Very stable setup, but I'd rather keep OMS as a .sit archive
wherever possible. My other computer is a G3 (aka Future Mac
Plus), and I'm stuck with OMS on it - unless you've heard of a
way to get Midi Manager working on OS8.

Like OMS works ok but it just doesn't have the clarity of
interface that lots of other products have - Max for instance,
or FreeHand, where the logical groupings of materials and
functions are quickly apparent, and users with complex
requirements are accomodated in depth.

I'm thinkin' that just like CodeWarrior has been eating
Symantec's supper for the last few years, someone's gonna come
up with a $20.00 'Midi Manager Noveau' and have the Macintosh
Midi community prefer it.

Philip

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Date:    Fri, 1 May 1998 09:25:31 -0400
From:    Tommy DOG 
Subject: I got your Max right here

At 12:00 AM 5/1/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Date:    Thu, 30 Apr 1998 05:49:03 -0700
>From:    Philip Aker 
>Subject: Where's the Max
>
>TD,
>
>I don't buy these types of arguments at all. You're trying to
>impose your criteria for Max list topics on other folks who may
>not have the same uses for, or rapport with Max.

Yes, I am the el duce' DOG of the Max community, ready to force my opinion
of what topics can and cannot be covered here.

>After 6+ years of using Max, I've studied the manuals, studied
>C programming, studied Inside Macintosh, studied the
>CodeWarrior files, and built my own system for getting results.

This part is very exciting. Type slower please, I want to really hear those
numbers crunch.
-Ooh baby.

>But just because I've done that doesn't mean that I like to
>talk nuts and bolts all the time. As a matter of fact I don't.

I do, I need to deal with only machine related issues because I am
otherwise artistily frigid.

>I like to abstract the concepts to other levels so that I can
>have a broader communication. This has involved kids from the
>age of 4 to world class choreographers and everything in
>between.

I've always fought against communication here. I feel that there is way too
much of a collaborate nature in Max users.
-Nobody upload anything without my direct approval.

>Some people make posts in French on
>this list. My French isn't that great, so I generally let them
>slide by. It seems to me, that with regards to the
>academic/non-academic composition topic you don't speak French.

It bothers me that there aren't more posts in different languages.
Blessfully Antiorp keeps us up to date with his experiments into phonetic
distraction and I plan to start posting in both Yiddish, German and
Esperanto to fill in the gaps where I can.
TD

"Death To The Dumb, Curses Upon The Heads Of The Weird"
    Tommy DOG: Music Brut via humans and machines
http://www.mindspring.com/~jjprinz/uni-mirror/uni.html

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Date:    Fri, 1 May 1998 08:45:10 -0700
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: Re: computer too slow for MSP

Spigot  writes:

>I'm using a 7500/100 upgraded to 120mhz 604e.  As an example, I made
>a patch that uses sfplay~ to play a soundfile, sfrecord~ to record
>the processed result, dac~ to hear it, a few *~, maybe a line~ or
>cycle~ or sig~ (depending), and a reson~ object.
>It works, but skips now and then.  My visions of a 20 filter
>vocoder are just going to have to wait!  But my question is, does this
>sound approximately right, or maybe (hopefully), something  can be
>done to get more performance out of the machine?

Depending on the speed of your disk drive, you might try a larger
buffer size for sfrecord~ and sfplay~, the former especially.
This is the second typed-in argument for these objects. 32768 or
65536 are suggested values. The thing is, when people report
this kind of problem and I suggest a larger buffer size, they
never tell me whether it fixed anything, so I'm not sure if the
larger buffer size helped them or instigated some type of artistic
crisis that caused them to turn off their computer forever.

David Z.

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Date:    Fri, 1 May 1998 13:42:46 -0400
From:    Jeff Mann 
Subject: Re: serial object

Linda Dusman  wrote:
> "cannot open serial port b, error -98"
> (when I try switching to the other port within the program).
>
> I am trying to determine if there is a connection between this new error
> message and the change in operating system.  I am not using OMS, but am
> simply accessing soundfiles using AIFFplay triggered by a midi signal
> coming in through the serial port.

Uh, I am probably misinterpreting, but you say above that you are
triggering the AIFF sounds with a *MIDI* signal coming in through the
serial port. If this is the case, then you shouldn't be using the serial
object. It doesn't work with MIDI, but with standard serial data like
from a modem. Do you have a MIDI interface connected to the serial port?

--
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Date:    Sat, 2 May 1998 04:45:55 +1000
From:    Stephen Pohan 
Subject: newbie question

This is what I need to do. Can Max do it for me.

I use a G3 Power mac with a Media100 video card and a Digidesign audio
card. I need to synchronize midi info with a Sound Designer file coming
out of the digidesign card and a Quicktime movie coming out of the
media100 card. Can the G3 play the appropriate audio file and movie file
at the appropriate time?

In other words, is Max the right thing for me?
--
Stephen Pohan
White Man Can't Reggae - if you don't believe, see www.wmcr.com
stephen@wmcr.com

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