Subject: MAX Digest - 29 Apr 1998 to 30 Apr 1998
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There are 14 messages totalling 443 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. MAX Digest - 28 Apr 1998 to 29 Apr 1998
  2. madonna
  3. etc
  4. Audiowerks8 and MSP
  5. Rothwell autobiography (2)
  6. Where's the Max
  7. computer too slow for MSP?
  8. Max Object List
  9. "wcontrol" FAT
 10. Please take me off the list
 11. WaveRider
 12. Pauline and Radio
 13. missing digests

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Date:    Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:38:17 -0700
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 28 Apr 1998 to 29 Apr 1998

Linda Dusman  writes:

>I am running MAX 3.0 and recently changed to MAC OS 7.5.5.  Since then I
>have been receiving an error message whenever I try to run a patch written
>using the serial object that reads:
>
>"cannot open serial port a, error -97"
>
>or
>
>"cannot open serial port b, error -98"
>(when I try switching to the other port within the program).

Error -97 means the port is in use. Error -98 means "the Parameter
RAM is not configured for this connection."

My guess is that Appletalk is turned on for the printer port, and
some type of MIDI driver (OMS, Max, MIDI Manager) is using the modem
port. Installing a system usually enables AppleTalk by default.
If you disable it in the Chooser, restart the machine before trying
Max again. Also, try the latest serial object that comes with
one of the Max 3.5.X updates or the "latest externals" collection
at http://www.cycling74.com/support, it has some minor improvements.

David Z.

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Date:    Thu, 30 Apr 1998 02:32:49 -0400
From:    Nicholas Longo <71477.2332@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: Re: madonna

<<> Madonna's new hit is great.

<She makes more than any professor of
<<>course.  But then she's not an elitist.

<
Subject: etc

>especially when it's not an issue of sharing ideas but a
>pissing contest.

allow monopol!ez 2 shape dze ekonom!ez w!thout konsern
4 dze 8 m!ll!on !nhab!tantz.
further lessonz on !nduztr!al soc!et!ez part deux.

>that issue can be taken up
>elsewhere.

where we are dzere !z no h!er. elsewhere = everywhere.

>> Maybe I'll read more about it in your auto-biography. ?:-)
>I'm sort-of planning one of those; more of a story-based-on-truth kind
>of thing, revolving around the contemporary dance scene.

!ntrodukt!on l'ethnolog!e

>She makes more than any professor of
>course.  But then she's = 1 fasc!zt.

If you just want to bring a window to the front -
For clarification, the
annual salary of a full tenured fasc!zt = $30,000 - $70,000

                        more fasc!zt looking,

         feeling, and functioning humanz and applications.

I can't imagine another way how to bring a window to the front
tomorrow we are dry

pzb .....>This
>of course doesn't necessarily mean Madonna's new hit is great.

korporate veLt = fasc!zm
4rom akadem!a 2 korporate veLt = but 1step

;max preempt 0

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Date:    Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:48:25 +0200
From:    Jens Jacobsen 
Subject: Audiowerks8 and MSP

Hi

Have some of you got any experiences with the Audiowerk8 audiocard (2 i/o
S/PDIF, 8 out analogue) and MSP?

___________________________________________
Jens Jacobsen

Danish Institute of Electroacoustic Music
http://www.daimi.aau.dk/~diem/
___________________________________________

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Date:    Thu, 30 Apr 1998 05:44:21 -0700
From:    Philip Aker 
Subject: Rothwell autobiography

Nick,

You wrote:
> > Maybe I'll read more about it in your auto-biography. ?:-)

> I'm sort-of planning one of those; more of a
> story-based-on-truth kind of thing, revolving around the
> contemporary dance scene. I'd better change the names.

Nah. Leave the names in. You'll get sued and make a mint from
the publicity!

*

I wound up with an old PB145B as a gift, and followed your
remarks from some time ago about a "frozen system". 7.1, Midi
Manager in this case. Works great, and sure beats lugging
around the SE/30 I was using as a 'portable' before that.

Cheers,

Philip

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Date:    Thu, 30 Apr 1998 05:49:03 -0700
From:    Philip Aker 
Subject: Where's the Max

TD,

I don't buy these types of arguments at all. You're trying to
impose your criteria for Max list topics on other folks who may
not have the same uses for, or rapport with Max.

After 6+ years of using Max, I've studied the manuals, studied
C programming, studied Inside Macintosh, studied the
CodeWarrior files, and built my own system for getting results.
But just because I've done that doesn't mean that I like to
talk nuts and bolts all the time. As a matter of fact I don't.
I like to abstract the concepts to other levels so that I can
have a broader communication. This has involved kids from the
age of 4 to world class choreographers and everything in
between.

I got a lot out of the previous discsussions on what you call
"composer Vs. composer". Some people make posts in French on
this list. My French isn't that great, so I generally let them
slide by. It seems to me, that with regards to the
academic/non-academic composition topic you don't speak French.

Philip

TD opines:

> Dear Uncle Max,
> I've noticed a slight drift in focus.

> We used to spend our time covering the fantastic details of
> your travels and adventures around the world.

> We talked of your control over many machines and your ability
> to communicate with even the most stubborn of those creatures.

> Now we are dwelling on issues so unrelated, I feel tempted to
> start talking about records, musical instruments, my sex life
> and perhaps even try to solicit extra business.

> Hey I got some simply dreadful jokes in this morning's E...
> Should I post that?

> Please Uncle Max come back.

> Fuck all this composer Vs. composer nonsense, that issue can be
> taken up elsewhere.

> Ones work is only worth what one feels when one does it and how
> one's audience reacts, whether they are large or small,
> academic or not. Our job is to do the work and present it,
> talking about it has never been too interesting, especially
> when it's not an issue of sharing ideas but a pissing contest.

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Date:    Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:06:05 -0400
From:    Spigot 
Subject: computer too slow for MSP?

Hello!  I have been exploring the demo of MSP for a few weeks now.  Its
amazing and wonderful and I have so many ideas.  I knew from the start
that CPU power would be the limiting aspect.  And I knew I would drive
it into the ground in my testing, but it got driven into the ground at
a much lower level of complexity than I was hoping.

I'm using a 7500/100 upgraded to 120mhz 604e.  As an example, I made
a patch that uses sfplay~ to play a soundfile, sfrecord~ to record
the processed result, dac~ to hear it, a few *~, maybe a line~ or
cycle~ or sig~ (depending), and a reson~ object.
It works, but skips now and then.  My visions of a 20 filter
vocoder are just going to have to wait!  But my question is, does this
sound approximately right, or maybe (hopefully), something  can be
done to get more performance out of the machine?

I've got my extensions pretty stripped down.  Is there a way to
optimze Max itself?  I have a bunch of 3rd party externals kicking
around that I don't use much.  Will it help to remove any but essential
externals?  I've already boosted the RAM for Max to 30 meg.

In any case, next year I should be acquiring a new fast machine and then,
I'm assuming, MSP will really open up.  An amazing piece of software!

Paul

--
P a u l  F l y
http://www.neuron.net/~pfly

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Date:    Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:11:50 -0400
From:    Ed Hartley 
Subject: Max Object List

Thanks for the responses on my question but I still have my problem. I'm not
 adding
new catagories, just new objects. I've forgotten the "tab" between the
catagory
 and
object before but it hasn't caused Max to crash. I still can't figure out
what
 I've
done to totally currupt my list. Am I just a bad person?

Ed Hartley

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Date:    Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:04:13 +0200
From:    Roby Steinmetzer 
Subject: Re: "wcontrol" FAT

>>Is there a FAT replace for James McCartney's 68k external "wcontrol"?
>>I can't imagine another way how to bring a window to the front without
>>mouseclicks.
>>Any help?
>>Roby Steinmetzer
>
>If you just want to bring a window to the front with a message,
>you can use "front" for thispatcher, or "open" for pcontrol.
>
>Stephen Kay

Ok, my question was not precise enough.
The above works fine with normal patcher windows.
But my problem is that I want to bring to the foreground (to use a less
 fascistic expression)
a graphic window that's not a patcher. Think of it as a sort of "graphic"
object
 that doesn't understand the _open_ message.
Or you could imagine a sort of _Input_ or _Output_ windows of Eric Singer's
 VideoIn object.
You get them to the foreground through mouseclicks or with "wcontrol" in
68k.
As an alternative, is there an easy way to simulate mouseclicks?

Concerning the discussions on this list, I don't think that this list needs
a
 list mom.
We do not just talk about Max from the technological point of view.
We have also to talk about works created with Max, about art.
Imagine a piano discussion list where they only talk about piano tuning or
 Cortot exercises.
In this context I even appreciate anti-orp's postings, if only I could read
 it...

Now something completely different...
I would appreciate some advices concerning harddisks for recording with Max
or
 VST.
My interests are: speed, noise, price (and some others that don't have to do
 with harddisks).

Thanks
And, oh, I nearly forgot:
overdrive on/off = ; max preempt 1/0

Roby Steinmetzer
Luxembourg, Europe

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Date:    Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:55:48 -0000
From:    Nick Rothwell 
Subject: Re: Rothwell autobiography

> I wound up with an old PB145B as a gift, and followed your
> remarks from some time ago about a "frozen system". 7.1, Midi
> Manager in this case. Works great, and sure beats lugging
> around the SE/30 I was using as a 'portable' before that.

I like the old PowerBooks: they seem a lot more robust than the newer
ones. You'll need MIDI Manager 2.0.2 (I think) in order for the serial
port stuff to work properly; or you could do what I do, and run MIDI
Manager with OMS 1.2.3.

--
        Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL            contemporary dance projects
        http://www.cassiel.com            music synthesis and control

        NOTICE - this vessel has triple screws - keep clear of blades

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Date:    Fri, 1 May 1998 10:35:41 +1000
From:    James Rhodes 
Subject: Please take me off the list

Please take me off the list

James Rhodes  B.Bus.
DRAMA THEATRE TECHNICIAN
(07)5594 8097
(07)5594 8095

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Date:    Sat, 2 May 1998 11:47:50 +1000
From:    David Rodger 
Subject: Re: WaveRider

Hi Uncle Max (and Uncle Tommy Dog),
while I was doing my Masters research (blatant plug: look at my woefully
out-of-date web site), I had the opportunity to hire a demo Waverider from
(another blatant plug...) Mastery Multimedia in Perth.

Jens Jacobsen wrote:
>I've tried it out a few years ago, but despite a lot of helpfull support
from
>WaveRider's  Jonathan Purcell it was impossible for me to make the
>Mac/Max-version work. It simply made my Mac freeze when I turned the
WaveRider
>on! (I used a Centris660AV, Max 2.5.2 and Max 3.0, OMS 2.02)

Oh, I wonder if there's something about the Centris' hardware?  I got mine
working on a IIci/Daystar Turbo040-33, System 7.5, Max 3.0, and OMS 2.0.2.
Since it works directly off a serial port, you can only have OMS control
one port.  (Of course, Jens knows this, but others might not be aware of
it.)

While the unit worked as it should have, I found the inherent nature of the
EMG signal to be unsatisfactory for "repeatability" of response.  There are
ways around this, but it takes a bit of futzing, especially with the FFT
objects which come with it.  (But these are quite processor-intensive.  A
version re-compiled for the PPCs might scream.)  This is, I suppose, where
Ed Severinghaus' approach with BodySynth seems to have been more
successful.  With a bit of practise, though, one might get useable results.
I didn't try EEG or the GSR channel.

Regards, David

David Rodger ------------ Audio Engineer, Pool Lifeguard, RLSS Trainer
E-mail:   auricle@alphalink.com.au
Personal: http://www.alphalink.com.au/~auricle/     (not yet exciting)
Research: http://farben.latrobe.edu.au/motion/   (a bit more exciting)
======================================================================
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2 years and will close on 31 December, 1999.  (This is really just our
way of avoiding the Y2K bug)."                          -- David Hirst
       http://farben.latrobe.edu.au/Music_Docs/pressrelease.html
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Date:    Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:08:42 -0400
From:    Richard Zvonar 
Subject: Pauline and Radio

On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:41:24 -0500"Richard Paske
 wrote:

>Coincidentally, last Saturday I talked to Terry Riley after his concert
>with Zeitgeist in Minneapolis and he told me that [Pauline] has accepted a
>three-year teaching position at Mills College in Oakland, CA.

There's a certain symmetry to that!  Pauline was the first director of the
Center for Contemporary Music at Mills, after which she took a faculty
appointment at UC San Diego.  After she resigned from UCSD and "went
independent" she continued to do some academic teaching as a visiting
artist at various schools, including Mills.

______________________________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD                              zvonar@LCSaudio.com
(818) 788-2202 voice                             zvonar@well.com
(818) 788-2203 fax                               zvonar@alum.mit.edu

                          http://www.well.com/~zvonar

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Date:    Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:08:51 -0400
From:    Richard Zvonar 
Subject: missing digests

Somehow I got dumped from this list for several weeks, but was too busy to
notice much.  I'd appreciate it if someone could send me the digests I
missed.  I'm missing everything between March 6 and April 24.  Please
e-mail privately before sending a file, to avoid multiples!

Thanks.

______________________________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD                              zvonar@LCSaudio.com
(818) 788-2202 voice                             zvonar@well.com
(818) 788-2203 fax                               zvonar@alum.mit.edu

                          http://www.well.com/~zvonar

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