Subject: MAX Digest - 28 Apr 1998 to 29 Apr 1998
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:01:19 -0400
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There are 16 messages totalling 454 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. overdrive on/off message (4)
  2. MAX Object List
  3. 5b683568
  5. Decomposing at Wreck Beach
  6. composition shoot-out (2)
  7. Where's the Max
  8. madonna
  9. overdrive on/off
 10. serial object
 11. "wcontrol" FAT (2)


Date:    Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:36:35 -0400
From:    Burton Alexandre 
Subject: Re: overdrive on/off message

Eric Singer :

> Does anyone know the message to send to ;max to turn overdrive on/off?
> (It's not 'overdrive' BTW)

 Overdrive would make sense (!), but try "preempt 0|1" ; if i recall
correctly it will do the trick (but that was i while ago (circa 3.5.1) and
it's an "unsupported/might change" command).

                                                Alex Burton.


Date:    Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:59:33 +0200
From:    "Philippe Montémont" 
Subject: Re: MAX Object List

Automatic digest processor wrote:
> There are 11 messages totalling 367 lines in this issue.
> Topics of the day:
>   1. Max Object List

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> Date:    Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:18:29 +0100
> From:>
> Date:    Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:02:21 -0400
> From:    Ed Hartley 
> Subject: Max Object List
> Howdy, folks
> I just download a bunch of third-party Max objects from the FTP and I
> damaged my Max Object List as I was updating it. Now Max crashes as soon
as it
> loads. I'm pretty sure it's the Object List  because Max will load fine if
>  take
> it out of the Max folder. Then, of course, I don't get a complete list
when I
> create a new object in a patcher. I opened up the list in a word processor
> everything looks OK. (The new objects seem to work OK too, by the way) I
> copied and pasted it into a new text window in Max, but no dice, it still
>  crashes.
> Before I try the labor-intensive task of retyping the whole thing from
> does anyone have any ideas about what could be wrong with my list to make
> happen? I wonder if there's a limit to the number of objects one can put
> list? My "Unsupported Patches" folder is pushing 150 items.
> Thanks in advance,
> Ed Hartley

Here are the instructions from D. Zicarelli to make this Max object list
properly operate with your copy of Max (I post you my question & his
answer, to be as clear as possible):

Date:    Wed, 31 Dec 1997 00:21:17 -0800
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: Re: New Object List & MSP

Philippe Montemont  writes:

>Importing the Max Object List document in ClarisWorks, I have been
>adding the MSP objects into it. I made a category named... MSP. I did
>the same with the Megamax externals too. Then I saved it as Max Object
>List again.
>Everything seem to work fine -the new objects appear in order in the
>right collumn- except the fact that the new categories (MSP,
>Megamax,...) do NOT appear in the left collumn as I expected.
>Does anyone in the list know where I made a mistake?

To add categories to the Max Object List, do the following. Due
to the way the internal Max objects work, you need to add the
category to the end of the list. In other words, in must be
alphabetically after "Timeline."

1. ResEdit the STR# resource 7000 in Max. Append the category
name to the end of the string.
2. Add a new STR# resource. Number it 7017 (or one higher, when
adding an additional category). Put one of the objects you'll
be adding via the Max Object List in the string.
3. Save Max and quit ResEdit.
4. Now you can add items in the new category to the Max Object
List file. For example, if the category name is ZMSP, you can

ZMSP    cycle~

into the Max Object List. Note that a single tab character must
occur between the category name and the object name.

If you just want to add objects to categories that already
exist, you don't need to do any ResEditing of Max. Just add them to
the Max Object List.

David Z.


Date:    Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:02:34 -0700
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: Re: overdrive on/off message

>Does anyone know the message to send to ;max to turn overdrive on/off?
>(It's not 'overdrive' BTW)

; max preempt 1/0

David Z.


Date:    Wed, 29 Apr 1998 04:04:54 -0400
From:    Stephen Kay 
Subject: Re: overdrive on/off message

>>Does anyone know the message to send to ;max to turn overdrive on/off?
>>(It's not 'overdrive' BTW)

>; max preempt 1/0

>David Z.

How intuitive... ;-)

Stephen Kay


Date:    Wed, 29 Apr 1998 03:18:15 -0600
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: 5b683568



Date:    Wed, 29 Apr 1998 03:21:27 -0600
From:    =cw4t7abs 

oopz. error. sample !ssue = 404
ultra pozerz. reazon 4 akadem!a zukx.
korporate krapmaTTer + fasch!on spektakl


Date:    Wed, 29 Apr 1998 04:17:21 -0700
From:    Philip Aker 
Subject: Decomposing at Wreck Beach

!orp titles:
zs!on :tcejbuS >

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then writes:

?egatnavdasid>> >
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a ni cimedaca na t'ndluow tub ,sdrawkcab ti tog ev'I spahreP>> >

.no!t!tepmok ng!sed bew >
 1 .b2 zs!d erew n! b dluow k!medaka 1 t!s za e+lb!rret za ton >

.noititepmoc ngised bew
 a eb ot siht erew ni eb dluow cimedaca na sa elbirret sa toN

.lareneg n! erul!af k!medaka ztk!ped >
 hc!hw aera > 1 + .e+lbarez!m l!af xk!medaka erehw aera 1 >

.lareneg ni scimedaca stciped hcihw
 aera retaerg eno sulp ylbaresim liaf scimedaca erehw aera enO

.gn!zuma.v /teshguor~/ >
 raf zuht dt!z!v 1 tzs!n D3= zs!d >

.gnisuma yreV/teshguor~/
 .raf suht detisiv eno tsecin A sihT

]dkams = D3= xk!medaka >
 no!tauke 1 a!v lb!tzegn! e+l!sae ton tpesnok f! tazd gn!vorp[ >

.dekcams slauqe A scimedaca noitacude
na aiv elbitsegni ylisae ton tpecnoc fi taht gnivorP

?nokceb snoisnemid tnednecsnart rehto nehw ymetohcid
 a tibahni yhW .reffo ot lufgninaem gnihtemos sah hcae erehw
 saera ezilaer nac I ,htped emos ot sdlrow htob etagitsevni I fi
 saerehw ,serauqs elpmis sa rehto hcae weiv thgim scimedaca-non
 dna scimedaca ,ylralimiS .erauqs a sa ti ees ot em rof elbissop
 s'ti ,yllausiv neht ,os tsuj dnah ym ni ebuc a dloh I fI .dlrow
 evitaerc/lacisum nwo ym ot snoisnemid lanoitidda sa sdlrow
 cimedaca-non/cimedaca tnereffid yldesoppus eseht weiv ot dnet I



Date:    Wed, 29 Apr 1998 04:18:48 -0700
From:    Philip Aker 
Subject: Re: composition shoot-out

Nick Rothwell writes:

> > Perhaps I've got it backwards, but wouldn't an academic in a
> > non-academically organized environment be placed at a
> > disadvantage? >

> Not half as much as a non-academic in an academic organisation...

Maybe I'll read more about it in your auto-biography. ?:-)



Date:    Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:45:23 -0000
From:    Nick Rothwell 
Subject: Re: composition shoot-out

> Maybe I'll read more about it in your auto-biography. ?:-)

I'm sort-of planning one of those; more of a story-based-on-truth kind
of thing, revolving around the contemporary dance scene. I'd better
change the names.

        Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL            contemporary dance projects            music synthesis and control

        NOTICE - this vessel has triple screws - keep clear of blades


Date:    Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:22:39 -0400
From:    Tommy DOG 
Subject: Where's the Max

Dear Uncle Max,
I've noticed a slight drift in focus.

We used to spend our time covering the fantastic details of your travels
and adventures around the world.

We talked of your control over many machines and your ability to
communicate with even the most stubborn of those creatures.

Now we are dwelling on issues so unrelated, I feel tempted to start talking
about records, musical instruments, my sex life and perhaps even try to
solicit extra business.

Hey I got some simply dreadful jokes in this morning's E... Should I post

Please Uncle Max come back.
Fuck all this composer Vs. composer nonsense, that issue can be taken up

Ones work is only worth what one feels when one does it and how one's
audience reacts, whether they are large or small, academic or not. Our job
is to do the work and present it, talking about it has never been too
interesting, especially when it's not an issue of sharing ideas but a
pissing contest.

"Death To The Dumb, Curses Upon The Heads Of The Weird"
    Tommy DOG: Music Brut via humans and machines


Date:    Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:40:12 -0700
From:    Peter Nyboer 
Subject: madonna

>For clarification, the $70,000 figure was divulged to me in 1985 as the
>annual salary of a full tenured professor...
>I don't know what salaries
>are at private universities, but there are some administrators who claim
>they are the reason for skyrocketing tuition costs.

The adminisration's claim brings the phrase "covering your own ass" to mind.

> Madonna's new hit is great.

Note to Karl: your post about the MIDI interface was *not* off-topic.

>She makes more than any professor of
>course.  But then she's not an elitist.

No, but her music falls in that 90% that Peter Elsea mentioned yesterday...
        (i.e.--"II. 90% of everything is crap")

>Why would anyone assume a direct connection between
>"money/facilities/support" and "anything worth listening to"?

Doesn't everyone on this list have the problem "I need some cash to
do blah/blah/blah" that is not a direct result of rampant consumerism?
At the very *least*, anything worth listening to needs facilities and
support.  (This
of course doesn't necessarily mean a building named after some donor)

>[Lsub] ->[Labs]-> [Lsum]->[ == 0] will do the trick.

Damnit! I new there was an abs somewhere, and now I'm stuck with this
stupid exercise cassette.



Peter Nyboer
--home of Slambassador multimedia gallery--
--product prototype! new material!--


Date:    Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:48:22 +0200
From:    dudas 
Subject: overdrive on/off

>Does anyone know the message to send to ;max to turn overdrive on/off?

;max preempt 1
;max preempt 0



Date:    Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:00:52 -0500
From:    Linda Dusman 
Subject: serial object


I am running MAX 3.0 and recently changed to MAC OS 7.5.5.  Since then I
have been receiving an error message whenever I try to run a patch written
using the serial object that reads:

"cannot open serial port a, error -97"


"cannot open serial port b, error -98"
(when I try switching to the other port within the program).

I am trying to determine if there is a connection between this new error
message and the change in operating system.  I am not using OMS, but am
simply accessing soundfiles using AIFFplay triggered by a midi signal
coming in through the serial port.

Has anyone else run into this problem, or does anyone know what these
error messages mean?

Thanks, Linda Dusman


Date:    Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:58:07 +0200
From:    Roby Steinmetzer 
Subject: "wcontrol" FAT

Is there a FAT replace for James McCartney's 68k external "wcontrol"?
I can't imagine another way how to bring a window to the front without
Any help?

Roby Steinmetzer
Luxembourg, Europe


Date:    Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:29:02 -0000
From:    Peter Castine 
Subject: Re: overdrive on/off message

On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:05:40 -0400, Eric Singer asked:

>Does anyone know the message to send to ;max to turn overdrive on/off?
>(It's not 'overdrive' BTW)

Last time I looked, it was preempt. I think. Jeff would remember, I think.

After a three hour meeting and twice as many glasses of wine, I seem not
to be thinking very clearly. I think.



---------------- ----------------
      eat drink and                          | Dr. Peter Castine
be maudlin for                               |
tomorrow we are dry                          +----------------------------
                           -- archy (Don Marquis)


Date:    Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:34:15 -0400
From:    Stephen Kay 
Subject: "wcontrol" FAT

>Is there a FAT replace for James McCartney's 68k external "wcontrol"?
>I can't imagine another way how to bring a window to the front without
>Any help?
>Roby Steinmetzer

If you just want to bring a window to the front with a message,
you can use "front" for thispatcher, or "open" for pcontrol.

Stephen Kay
---------------------- The MegaMAX Collection ----------------------
 Over 30 Max objects for the creation of more professional looking, =

         feeling, and functioning patchers and applications.


End of MAX Digest - 28 Apr 1998 to 29 Apr 1998