Subject: MAX Digest - 24 Apr 1998 to 25 Apr 1998
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 00:00:32 -0400
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Topics of the day:

  1. MAX Digest - 23 Apr 1998 to 24 Apr 1998
  2. c557
  3. matching lists exactly


Date:    Sat, 25 Apr 1998 08:05:33 -0000
From:    Peter Castine 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 23 Apr 1998 to 24 Apr 1998

On Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:49:53 EDT, "SETA,MICHAL,MR" asked:

>Why is it that composers/academics/researchers/blahblahblah
>having all this money/facilities/support don't do anything
>worth listening to?

1) I know a lot of composer who do write lots of music worth listening to.

2) I know a lot of people who agree with the above (so it's not just me).

3) What money? What facilities? What support? As a freelance composer I
earn a pittance and, like the vast majority of my colleagues, have to do
other things to actually earn anything resembling a living.

As for so-called "academic" composers: this is largely an American
phenomenon. The final chapter in Babbitt's _Words on Music_ is worth
reading (even for people who abhor standard orthography: hello antiorp!-)
in that Babbitt recognizes all the symptoms. Alas, he sees no solutions
for the problems, whereas I contend that there are things that composers,
even American composers, in arguably the most commercially-driven
enterntainment-oriented society the world has seen, can do.


Peter -- who actually finds the assumption that
composers/academics/researchers/blahblahblah have lots of
money/facilities/support pretty galling.

-- -- --
"It went down a storm. Brilliant!" 4 Stars           |  Dr. Peter Castine
_Flutewise_ on my arrangement of Joplin's "The Ragtime Dance" for
4 flutes, alto and bass. (Zimmermann, Order No. 31800)


Date:    Sat, 25 Apr 1998 09:53:57 +0200
From:    "Dr. Karlheinz Essl" 
Subject: Re: c557

Mr. Micha Seta wrote:

> And another question for academics:
> What is the role of academia ???????

Another question to Michal Seta: why do you ask this question as you are
obviously somehow related to the academic world? According to your email
address you are connected with the McGill university. Perhaps *you* should
give us an answer instead.

> I also have a question:
> Why is it that composers/academics/researchers/blahblahblah
> having all this money/facilities/support don't do anything
> worth listening to?

Before asking that I would be interested to know what *you* have done
that's worth listening to.

   Dr. Karlheinz Essl - Composer
   Vienna / Austria
   Studio for Advanced Music & Media Technology


Date:    Sat, 25 Apr 1998 14:42:34 -0700
From:    Peter Nyboer 
Subject: matching lists exactly

Perhaps you can help me....

What seems like a basic operation has turned into a brick wall.  I am
looking for a simple solution to determine if two lists are exaclty the
same.  The lists are of variable length and content.  I have tried some
Lobjects, but the objects that would be most useful (L== and Lmatch) will
return a true value if one list is a match for a subset of the list I am
testing against.  For example, if I am looking for a match to the list "1 2
3 4 5," I want  a bang if and only if an incoming list is "1 2 3 4 5."
Using L== and Lmatch, these will be true if the incoming list is "1 2 3 4"
or even "1 2."  I have tried counting the length of the incoming list, and
then using Lmatch to determine a match, but this ends up being highly
cumbersome, due to the nature of the patch's timing.  I also tried using
Lsub, which will subtract one List's member from the other List's
corresponding member, but I haven't found a way to then test if every
member is 0.  Any ideas?  Need clarifictation?  Write me at

Thanks in advance for any help,

Peter Nyboer

Peter Nyboer
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End of MAX Digest - 24 Apr 1998 to 25 Apr 1998