Subject: MAX Digest - 22 Apr 1998 to 23 Apr 1998
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 00:00:08 -0400
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There are 9 messages totalling 358 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. c557
  2. jimmies (2)
  3. MSP SDK Example Files
  4. something called SCOPE
  5. ftp://ftp/ircam.fr/pub/forumnet/max/FAT/utilities/EllisonFAT.sea.bin
  6. Reminder Re: Mail delivery failed
  7. Ircam FTP access (2)

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Date:    Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:28:24 -0600
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: c557

>Date:    Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:42:27 -0400
>From:    Stephen Kay 

>Of course, you realize that when buying MSP from IRCAM, David Z. does
>not make anywhere near as much as he does when you buy it from him
>directly.  Those of you who support his software and this list might =
>
>consider that when you decide to order.
>
>Stephen Kay

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let go w!th d!gn!t+e

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>"M. Abidh Waugh" 
>myself included, are
>researchers/composers/performing artists/in academia

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age.

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>I too would appreciate such an action from Ircam.

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= !rcam zukx 4 ut!l!z!ng d!g!tool.mac!ntosh.un.kommon.l!sp.

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Date:    Thu, 23 Apr 1998 00:06:56 -0500
From:    "Frank L. Thiel" 
Subject: jimmies

>>However, if you register MSP
>>with them rather than with Cycling74, you get a 50% discount off that
>price
>>for the first year.  This is meant to act as an incentive to buy MSP fro=
>m
>>IRCAM rather than from David Z. directly.  =
>
>
>Of course, you realize that when buying MSP from IRCAM, David Z. does
>not make anywhere near as much as he does when you buy it from him
>directly.  Those of you who support his software and this list might =
>
>consider that when you decide to order.
>
>Stephen Kay

Indeed this is a valid point.  That is why I personally chose to register
with David Z. directly.  However, at least everyone now has the facts on
IRCAM's policy and how to go about getting the products.  Hopefully,
everyone will make up their own minds as to where their $$'s (or FF's)
should best be directed.  One way I look at it is that even at full price
you would spend $495 for MAX, $295 for MSP, and $285 for ForumNet (for a
total of $1075), which is certainly not chump change, but compare what you
can do with it to any stand-alone syntheszier/sampler or rack box for that
price.

I also have faith that as MSP becomes more mature that lots of useful
user-written externs for it will start popping up.

Frank Thiel

_____________________________
Frank L. Thiel
School of Music
University of Texas at Austin

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Date:    Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:33:59 -0400
From:    Michael Sweet 
Subject: MSP SDK Example Files

I'm having trouble programming a msp object that has multiple outputs (i.e.
a signal output, and multiple float outputs).  I can't seem to find any
example c files of an msp object that does this.  Could someone point me to
an example?

--Thanks
--Michael Sweet

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Date:    Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:53:47 +0100
From:    Jem Finer 
Subject: something called SCOPE

A message for David Z I guess :

I've just been reading about a Creamware product called SCOPE, being
essentially a PCI board with 6 DSP chips and wondered whether there was any
plan afoot to make  MSP work with this thing.

Cheers,

Jem Finer

Kentish Town
London NW5
finer@easynet.co.uk

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Date:    Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:48:57 +0200
From:    "Dr. Karlheinz Essl" 
Subject: Re:

ftp://ftp/ircam.fr/pub/forumnet/max/FAT/utilities/EllisonFAT.sea.bin

Steve Smith wrote:

> How does one access this file.  I tried Fetch and entered into the
> ftp/ircam.fr/pub directory from which I could see the forumnet directory,
> but couldn't get a listing of it.

The URL is wrong. It should be:

        ftp://ftp.ircam.fr/pub/forumnet/max/FAT/utilities/EllisonFAT.sea.bin

Hope that helps,

   Dr. Karlheinz Essl - Composer
   Vienna / Austria
   Studio for Advanced Music & Media Technology
   http://www.essl.at/

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Date:    Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:54:39 -0400
From:    Christopher Murtagh 
Subject: Reminder Re: Mail delivery failed

Greetings all,

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are gone for summer holidays, please set your digest options to NOMAIL.
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downloading 30 mailer daemonds through my (very slow) 14.4 modem, I
usually remove the offending users from the list.  Otherwise MY mailbox
gets full and managing the list just isn't so fun anymore.

 As always, if you have any problems, questions or concerns please email
me directly and I'll see what I can do to help.

Thanks for your understanding.

Sincerely,

Christopher Murtagh
MAX listserv owner

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Date:    Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:03:15 +0200
From:    Roby Steinmetzer 
Subject: Re: jimmies

>>>However, if you register MSP
>>>with them rather than with Cycling74, you get a 50% discount off that
>>price
>>>for the first year.  This is meant to act as an incentive to buy MSP fro=
=3D
>>m
>>>IRCAM rather than from David Z. directly.  =3D
>>
>>
>>Of course, you realize that when buying MSP from IRCAM, David Z. does
>>not make anywhere near as much as he does when you buy it from him
>>directly.  Those of you who support his software and this list might =3D
>>
>>consider that when you decide to order.
>>
>>Stephen Kay
>
>Indeed this is a valid point.  That is why I personally chose to register
>with David Z. directly.  However, at least everyone now has the facts on
>IRCAM's policy and how to go about getting the products.  Hopefully,
>everyone will make up their own minds as to where their $$'s (or FF's)
>should best be directed.  One way I look at it is that even at full price
>you would spend $495 for MAX, $295 for MSP, and $285 for ForumNet (for a
>total of $1075), which is certainly not chump change, but compare what you
>can do with it to any stand-alone syntheszier/sampler or rack box for that
>price.
>
>I also have faith that as MSP becomes more mature that lots of useful
>user-written externs for it will start popping up.
>
>
>Frank Thiel
>

=46rank Thiel's addition ($1075 if you don't consider the 50% discount) is=
 certainly true from a mathematical point of view.
But I got the impression that there is a misunderstanding in thinking that=
 ForumNet =3D jimmies or vice-versa.
This is certainly not true.
Take a look at: Article 2 - Definition of the Benefits Provided
        at:
http://www.ircam.fr/activites/com-valo/valorisation/forum/cond-particip=
-e.html

I bought MSP at IRCAM because of the 50% discount on the Forum membership.
To make the most of it, I attended the IRCAM Forum days at the beginning of=
 April in Paris.
During three days there were presentations of IRCAM soft-and hardware,
forum=
 member's contributions, explanations of works that used IRCAM software and=
 so on. You could ask questions (even newbie ones were answered), make
sugge=
stions.
You also could meet a lot of nice people and in the evening drink beer with=
 Richard Dudas, the guy who ported the original Zettel jimmies to MSP (his=
 favorite beer is Belgian one).
Ok, all this applies mostly to people living near Paris.

I don't know how much David Z. is making with MSP if you buy it from=
 Cycling74 or from IRCAM. That's not our business.
I just know that MSP is a wonderful piece of software.
The ISPW/Next is dead and considering that one ISPW roughly equivalents a=
 G3, think about it.
And from the anecdotical corner, I remember the Forum presentation of the=
 new spatialisateur patches on the ISPW.
Unfortunately, during the show, the ISPW "s'est plant=E9", so the demo was=
 done on a G3 with MSP.
By the way, as a Forum member you get these spatialisateur patches for free.

Another misunderstanding: the jimmies are not external objects programed in=
 C (except two, I think), but only max patches, abstractions done with=
 mainly conventional MSP objects. So everyone with dsp knowledge should be=
 able to do his own jimmies, well, should....
If I take a look at them, ... hmm.

The jimmies are of high quality but of course, as always, the use depends
on=
 you hardware.
I am able to run them perfectly on my "poor" 7600/132, as an example the=
 stereo harmonizer takes between 30 and 40% of cpu in audio interrupt
mode/4=
4khz.
On a G3 you should be relax.

Should MSP owners get the jimmies for free? I don't know.
Some years ago, I bought a new car, a beautiful Alfa Romeo. After some time=
 I got tired of listening to that Alfa-sound and decided to get a CD-Player=
 to put in it. But the CD-Player vendor did not want to give it to me for
fr=
ee!
So today I don't have a CD-Player in my car but I have two wonderful little=
 daughters and if they start singing in the back, I wonder why I ever
wanted=
 to have a CD-Player.

Roby Steinmetzer
Luxembourg, Europe

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Date:    Fri, 24 Apr 1998 01:53:15 +0200
From:    dudas 
Subject: Ircam FTP access

Steve Smith writes:

>How does one access this file.  I tried Fetch and entered into the
>ftp/ircam.fr/pub directory from which I could see the forumnet directory,
>but couldn't get a listing of it.

The corrected address should read:
ftp://ftp.ircam.fr/pub/forumnet/max/FAT/utilities/EllisonFAT.sea.bin

(not ftp/ircam.fr)

The Max directory is invisible from its parent directory, so, in order to
get to the max-related stuff, you need to type at least the full pathname
fo the max directory:

ftp://ftp.ircam.fr/pub/forumnet/max/

The contents of this directory and its sub-directories are visible, so you
can use this as a starting place for browsing around.

>Why isn't there mouse-flavored cat food?

I think this question is best asked to the "CAT - interactive feline
standard nutrition " mailing list.  Otherwise try
using MouseState. (Zoron connects it to a random, by the way.)

-Richard

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Date:    Fri, 24 Apr 1998 02:01:01 +0200
From:    Tom Mays 
Subject: Re: Ircam FTP access

good night, and have a pleasant tomorrow...

tm

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