Subject: MAX Digest - 21 Apr 1998 to 22 Apr 1998
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There are 7 messages totalling 168 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. jimmies (3)
  2. so called "jimmies"
  3. sending MIDI clocks via OMS's IAC bus
  4. ftp://ftp/ircam.fr/pub/forumnet/max/FAT/utilities/EllisonFAT.sea.bin
  5. MTC

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Date:    Wed, 22 Apr 1998 02:25:10 -0500
From:    "R. Albert Falesch" 
Subject: Re: jimmies

Does anyone know how IRCAM Forum membership relates to obtaining the
jimmies?  I'm under the impression that this software is for the asking
with a membership in the "Real time" forum (something like US$370).

   --Bob Falesch

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Date:    Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:12:20 -0000
From:    Nick Rothwell 
Subject: Re: so called "jimmies"

> >> or someone else will design
> >> similar msp structures and give them to us for free.
>
> All you need is a good book on DSP/digital filter theory, three eggs, two
> cups of sugar, a teaspoon of vanilla extract and a dash of cinnamon.

I'd up the egg intake if you're interested in designing really fat
filters. Vanilla signal processing is not terribly interesting.

--
        Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL            contemporary dance projects
        http://www.cassiel.com            music synthesis and control

        NOTICE - this vessel has triple screws - keep clear of blades

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Date:    Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:17:02 -0000
From:    Nick Rothwell 
Subject: Re: sending MIDI clocks via OMS's IAC bus

> To use rtout, you must send
> MIDI real-time messages in decimal.

Isn't this just another way of saying that rtout takes (long) integers
and MAX doesn't have a notation for other bases?

> For example, 250 is
> start, 252 is stop, and you would hook up a metro or pulse
> object to bang a stream of 248's to send actual clock.

This has been possible using OMS 1.2.3 and MIDI Manager for absolutely
years, for what it's worth (probably not much) - I'd need to check the
file dates, but my chunk management objects (which decode beat clock)
were written sometime in 1993, I think.

--
        Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL            contemporary dance projects
        http://www.cassiel.com            music synthesis and control

        NOTICE - this vessel has triple screws - keep clear of blades

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Date:    Wed, 22 Apr 1998 07:09:28 -0500
From:    Steve Smith 
Subject:
ftp://ftp/ircam.fr/pub/forumnet/max/FAT/utilities/EllisonFAT.sea.bin

How does one access this file.  I tried Fetch and entered into the
ftp/ircam.fr/pub directory from which I could see the forumnet directory,
but couldn't get a listing of it.

Thanks...Steve
******

Why isn't there mouse-flavored cat food?

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Date:    Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:55:42 -0700
From:    Peter Elsea 
Subject: MTC

James Garfield writes
>Or more
>importantly, what objects should I use to generate/control MTC to send
>to another application?  I'm a little stumped on this one.  I've seen it
>done before, but I don't remember how...

I did a lengthy tutorial on MTC on this list a  bit over a year ago. That
and some other tutorials are available (in Word 5.1 format) at
ftp://arts.ucsc.edu/pub/ems/maxtutors/
The turorial includes an MTC generator, with the caveat that anything
generated by Max is not going to be time accurate.

Peter Elsea
Electronic Music Studios
University of California, Santa Cruz
http://arts.ucsc.edu/EMS/Music/index.html
 elsea@cats.ucsc.edu

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Date:    Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:08:09 -0500
From:    "Frank L. Thiel" 
Subject: Re: jimmies

>dudas  writes:
>
>>The "Original Flavor Jimmies" are indeed available for MSP.
>>They are available through the Ircam Forum, and I believe they are a bonus
>>for those people who buy MSP from Ircam.  ... [snip]...
>
>According to the information I have, IRCAM will be selling the jimmies, and
>giving a discount to its MSP customers.
>
>David Z.
>

I have been talking with Vincent Puig, marketing director at IRCAM about
the Jimmies and other ForumNet IRCAM products (such as SPAT the 3D
spatializer and the ISPW card products).  Anyone can subscribe to IRCAM's
ForumNet for 1 year for 1750 French Francs (roughly $285 US using today's
exchange rate).  This gets you a bi-annually released CD with their
real-time software (including the Jimmies).  However, if you register MSP
with them rather than with Cycling74, you get a 50% discount off that price
for the first year.  This is meant to act as an incentive to buy MSP from
IRCAM rather than from David Z. directly.  So, for folks like me that
already registered with David, the only option is to pay the full price.

Even at full price I think it may be well worth the money if the objects
are high quality and are really usable in a patch and don't take so much
CPU time that you cannot do anything else.  I would personally like to see
a demo before shelling out the francs.

For more info check-out:
http://www.ircam.fr/forumnet/index-e.html

Take care,
Frank Thiel

_____________________________
Frank L. Thiel
School of Music
University of Texas at Austin

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Date:    Wed, 22 Apr 1998 23:42:27 -0400
From:    Stephen Kay 
Subject: Re: jimmies

>However, if you register MSP
>with them rather than with Cycling74, you get a 50% discount off that
price
>for the first year.  This is meant to act as an incentive to buy MSP fro=
m
>IRCAM rather than from David Z. directly.  =

Of course, you realize that when buying MSP from IRCAM, David Z. does
not make anywhere near as much as he does when you buy it from him
directly.  Those of you who support his software and this list might =

consider that when you decide to order.

Stephen Kay

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