Subject: MAX Digest - 19 Apr 1998 to 20 Apr 1998
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There are 8 messages totalling 248 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. m|m
  2. Max Muse?
  3. MSP, latency, and virtual memory (2)
  4. so called "jimmies" (2)
  5. modifiers
  6. AMAZING MAZE - currently live broadcasted (RealAudio)

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Date:    Sun, 19 Apr 1998 23:26:34 -0600
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: m|m

>I've been trying to figure out whether this is something that needs to be
>reconstructed in Max.

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Date:    Sun, 19 Apr 1998 23:07:28 -0700
From:    Adam Schabtach 
Subject: Re: Max Muse?

>There is a nice PC (GASP!!!) application located here:
>http://www2.shore.net/~lpaul/muse.html
>I know the author is interested in a Mac Port.

Heh. I can't escape my sordid past. Years ago, I wrote MacMuse, a
Macintosh-based Muse emulator, to teach myself MIDI Manager and
object-oriented C programming techniques. (Those two concepts alone date
the project.) I released it on an extremely limited basis, with the
intention of eventually refining it and distributing it more widely. A few
copies floated beyond the hands of the initial distribution (despite my
instructions), and--remarkably enough--the aforementioned web page claims
to have a copy available for downloading. Unfortunately the author of the
page doesn't seem to understand how to make Mac files available for
downloading, because the link doesn't seem to work.

Last time I checked, it still worked--even ran on a PowerMac under MacOS 8,
which I guess says something for both my code and the MIDI Manager itself.
I have at times considered doing a Max implementation, but have never
gotten 'round to it.

I guess there's no particular reason for me to not hand out copies at this
point, since I haven't returned to work on it in the last seven years, and
am unlikely to. If anyone would like to give it a whirl, drop me a note. It
does require the MIDI Manager, and is totally OMS-unaware. I left it in
very much a no-frills state of completion. It runs, but doesn't allow SMF
export, parameter saving/loading, etc. You can pick the MIDI channel and
the velocity, start/stop it, and that's about it. It does, however,
faithfully implement the original Muse algorithm, as documented in
Chamberlin's book.

DavidZ told me that he ran across a copy once, but was unable to get it to
do anything at all. I think he overlooked the online help. :-)

--Adam

Adam Schabtach                          nebulous@earthlink.net

"The key is to not play anything unless it adds to the music."
                                         --Victor Wooten

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Date:    Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:01:50 -0000
From:    Nick Rothwell 
Subject: Re: MSP, latency, and virtual memory

> The moral: Turn VM off if you want MSP to be responsive to external
events.

I would think: don't use VM for any kind of realtime software system
which doesn't lock interrupt-level memory into real RAM. This is
certainly true for commercial MIDI bloatware; I don't know whether MAX
does page locking or not (probably not, since the entire heap is
potentially available at interrupt level).

--
        Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL            contemporary dance projects
        http://www.cassiel.com            music synthesis and control

        NOTICE - this vessel has triple screws - keep clear of blades

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Date:    Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:50:51 +0200
From:    Jan Borchers 
Subject: Re: MSP, latency, and virtual memory

Kevin Walker  wrote:
>The moral: Turn VM off if you want MSP to be responsive to external events.

The same is true for QuickTime Musical Instruments -- inacceptable delays
with virtual memory enabled (roughly 150-200ms from MIDI keyboard via MAX
3.5.8 to sound on my 8500/120, MacOS 8.1, QT 3.0), but they become
unnoticeable when VM is turned off. I got this hint from Apple QT developer
Charles Wiltgen.

Regards,

Jan

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Date:    Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:09:13 -0500
From:    "M. Abidh Waugh" 
Subject: so called "jimmies"

Dr. Karlheinz Essl wrote:

".....wondering if user who did not buy MSP from IRCAM would also have
access to
the "jimmies"... I'd appreciate if they could be downloaded from the IRCAM
ftp server..."

I too would appreciate such an action from Ircam.  Perhaps the fact that
other corporations such as Steinberg, etc are selling their  "vst plugins"
(which the "jmmmies" would seemingly preclude) for hundreds of US$'s, is
influencial in Ircams witholding these items.  I do not know much about
the technical/economic considerations which relate to the ownership of
Max/MSp and the three organizations:  Ircam/opcode/cycling74, but  I do
know that many of the people who use msp/max, myself included, are
researchers/composers/performing artists/in academia who can't continually
pour money into software products . ( I haven't checked the current price
of the MAX appllication recently, but  I think it retails for something
near  500 US$).  So, hopefully Ircam will honor its cultural heritage over
its economic needs and release these elements, or someone else will design
similar msp structures and give them to us for free.

Sincerely,

M. Abidh Waugh

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Date:    Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:32:56 +0200
From:    Robert Henke 
Subject: modifiers

max.
modifiers.
For the 68k Version of MAX there is an object called "modifiers" which
reports strokes of  the shift,option,etc.... keys. Unfortunally it is not
PPC compatible.
Has anyone written something like it for the PPC ???

msp.
audiocards.
Is it possible to use MSP with a (non digidesign(?)) audiocard and run
Protools with a AM III simultaniously on the same  machine ?
I thought of using  the sound manager with the build in audio hardware of
my PPC  for MSP and the AM III for PT, but it did crash...

THANX.
rob.

________________________
Robert Henke
imbalance computer music
Knaackstr .18
10405 Berlin
phone -- 49 - 30 - 442 88 35

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Date:    Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:48:05 -0000
From:    Nick Rothwell 
Subject: Re: so called "jimmies"

Well, I don't know what IRCAM's agenda is when it comes to
distributing or selling software, nor do I particularly want to
comment on that, but one really cannot complain about not having
access to a new set of tools just because one is a poor artist and the
makers of the tools want to make a living. Much as you may wish
otherwise, being a creative type does not give one rights to
charity. If it were so, I would already be jumping up and down and
screaming my head off at not having a PPC-based Macintosh like
everyone else on this list - I'm still running MAX on my PowerBook 170
onstage. I've never seen or used MSP, and since I'm still digging
myself out of a debt hole through recording and distributing my album,
I'm not likely to any time soon. But then, Mr. Waugh, since you're
complaining about not getting these MSP objects, you must have a
PowerMac; so can you give it to me please?  I'm a performing artist.

> or someone else will design
> similar msp structures and give them to us for free.

You could do that for us, Mr. Waugh.

--
        Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL            contemporary dance projects
        http://www.cassiel.com            music synthesis and control

        NOTICE - this vessel has triple screws - keep clear of blades

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Date:    Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:15:48 +0200
From:    "Dr. Karlheinz Essl" 
Subject: AMAZING MAZE - currently live broadcasted (RealAudio)

Dear friends!

AMAZING MAZE, an infinite realtime composition for sampled sound particles
is currently broadcasted as a permanent self-generating sound installation
on the "Algorithmic Stream", a project of Maurice Methot and Hector
Laplante.

Please point your browser to:

        http://www.essl.at/works/amazing.html

Enjoy!

   Dr. Karlheinz Essl - Composer
   Vienna / Austria
   Studio for Advanced Music & Media Technology
   http://www.essl.at/

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