Subject: MAX Digest - 4 Apr 1998 to 5 Apr 1998
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There are 4 messages totalling 172 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. video
  2. FULL SCREEN VIDEO
  3. firewire and MAX
  4. Sub folders

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Date:    Sun, 5 Apr 1998 08:32:19 +0200
From:    Jeffrey Burns 
Subject: video

>Hi all - I'd like to be able to control full-screen, 30fps video using
>the QuickTime object in Max. Not just trigger playback, but go to
>specified frames, change speed, etc. I want to do a kind of granular
>synthesis with video. I've had one report that this might work using the
>MiroMotion 30. Anyone else?

I have a Miro DC20, which works just fine. I'm sure the DC30 is still
better. The only catch with these boards is that you can't play back what
you've recorded without the original board - unless you do a slow
recompilation of the film in Premiere. The Miro boards give you S-video
output, which is comprable to about 3.5 MB/sec. of data of picture data.
Even if you find a solution that outputs to Firewire, I'm not sure the
system will be able to jump very quickly to various points in the film,
using a higher data rate. Needless to say, you need an extremely fast
harddisc with enough room to contain the defragmented film file.

Incidentally, I have heard that Iomega will soon produce a video digitizing
board that is packaged with an Ultra-SCSI controller and costs only $200.
Has anybody seen it yet?

Jeff Burns

http://www.snafu.de/~jeff

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Date:    Sun, 5 Apr 1998 08:05:58 -0500
From:    Elliott Earls 
Subject: FULL SCREEN VIDEO

>Hi all - I'd like to be able to control full-screen, 30fps video using
>the QuickTime object in Max. Not just trigger playback, but go to
>specified frames, change speed, etc. I want to do a kind of granular
>synthesis with video. I've had one report that this might work using the
>MiroMotion 30. Anyone else?
>
>Does anyone have any idea whether it would work using Firewire/DV? I.e.
>could you get it to send a DV stream out a Firewire interface to a DV
>camcorder for display? How?

I've got a suggestion... Try the killer application "Supercard."  =
What your describing is very similar to a series of projects I've =
been working on for the last 5 years.

Rather than using Max... I've been comming at the problem from =
Supercard, and using very simpe max obects to interface with =
aftereffects video spots, sound fragments, spoken word poetry, still =
photography etc..

so in other words you can utilize Aftereffects to do non-realtime =
granular synthesis then use max to controll supercard which triggers =
various loops.

[Although Alliegiant technologies is having real money problems, =
SUPERCARD is a killer application. It is actually somewhat similar to =
Max. It is extremely powerful! Check it out]

Anyone interested in seeing some of these ideas implemented can come =
to any one of a series of performances that I'm giving in SOHO over =
the next six months a Theatre called 'HERE.' Check my web site for =
times dates and ticket prices as well as screen shots etc.... I'll =
also post an announcement detailing the performance to the list. If =
people seem to think that it wont be considered SPAM.

ciao, elliott

 or

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--             Dates: Saturday, April 18th.... 4:00PM                 =
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Date:    Sun, 5 Apr 1998 11:04:07 -0500
From:    Johnny DeKam 
Subject: firewire and MAX

Jeff Mann  Wrote:
Does anyone have any idea whether it would work using Firewire/DV? I.e.
could you get it to send a DV stream out a Firewire interface to a DV
camcorder for display? How?

While I can't actually verify yet whether this works, in theory it should,
since the current Firewire systems (Promax/Radius Edit) both use a
Quicktime VDIG to input/ouput their video stream via Firewire.
In addition, Quicktime 3.0 "Pro"  enables direct Firewire support.

I will let you know next week,  since I have a Promax FireWire Editing
system arriving on my doorstep tommorow... You can be sure I'll install MAX!

For those of you going "FireWhat?"  FireWire is also known as the IEEE 1394
interface, developed by Apple, it is capable of very fast data transfers (I
think 100 Megs/Sec)  It has many advantages over SCSI and even networking
Topologies -- but we haven't seen much in that arena yet.  However, almost
all Digital Video Cameras and decks now include a FireWire interface, and
now you can get a PCI card which allows you to download your footage
directly to the hardrive... Its like having DAT for Video (Indeed the DV
format has DAT quality sound in it as well).  --- When shopping for a Non
Linear Video Editing System, I chose this FireWire solution over the more
venerable Media 100/Avid route... since it was MUCH more cost effective,
and like DAT, you have no generation loss.

Johnny DeKam

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Date:    Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:21:10 +0200
From:    Roland Cahen & Ruth Sefton-Green 
Subject: Sub folders

kjolly@ix.netcom.com wrote :

>   has anyone else using max 3.5.8 had problems using the folder object?
>I can't seem to get it to recognize any subfolders.  The help file seems
>to have the same problem.

Place your folder in max folder and put the main folder's name in the pref
if possible.
Then use ":" between main folder name and sub folders.
I couldn't catch the folder using "Max: main_folder:sub_folder" without
puting the main folder name in the file preference list.
I haven't been able to navigate dynamicly thru folders down and up the tree.

Roland Cahen

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