Subject: MAX Digest - 21 Mar 1998 to 22 Mar 1998
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 00:01:55 -0500
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There are 8 messages totalling 212 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Beat Trackers
  2. max/vst plugins
  3. apple events
  4. Apple event s are different than apple script , yes?
  5. cubase vst plugin (2)
  6. Who was it that MTV unplugged?
  7. thanks for bomb-problem solving

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Date:    Sat, 21 Mar 1998 21:05:24 -0800
From:    "Keith A. McMillen" 
Subject: Beat Trackers

Has anyone had any good experiences with beat trackers (rhythm followers)?
Don't need to extract it from an audio source, just track and follow beats
in a MIDI stream. Ideally should be tolerant of beat doubling/halving.

I remember someone named Armstrong? that was doing phase comparisons with a
non linear Oscillator. Ring a bell?

I'd be happy to do a comparison of various trackers brought to my attention
and give some feedback.

KMc

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Date:    Sat, 21 Mar 1998 22:06:51 -0800
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: Re: max/vst plugins

Roby Steinmetzer  writes:

>>How does a cubase vst plugin run under max? do you mean there is a way of
>>getting these plugins to run in the max environment?
>>
>>
>You need MSP and ftp://ftp.cycling74.com/vst.sit.bin.

The person who follows this URL is going to be disappointed.
Better to refer to them to http://www.cycling74.com/support/news.html
where I reveal the password.

Incidentally, although it hasn't been 100% finalized, Steinberg has
decided to let me distribute the vst~ object with MSP. I'm pretty
psyched about this.

David Z.

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Date:    Sat, 21 Mar 1998 22:02:37 -0800
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: Re: apple events

>does any one know of a way to send apple events from inside max?

In addition to aesend, which has limited utility, I suggest
investigating the ascript object by Guenter Obiltschnig that
he mentioned here about a week ago. You can write a script that
results in Apple Events being sent to applications. It's a brilliant
idea, especially the way you can set variables in the script with
Max messages. Just to repeat, here's the URL:

http://www.tk.uni-linz.ac.at/~gueob/

There's also some information on his page about a new object in
development that should have all you UI-heads salivating...

To learn more about AppleScript, you can look at

http://www.applescript.apple.com

David Z.

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Date:    Sun, 22 Mar 1998 13:23:46 +0100
From:    Peter Castine 
Subject: Re: Apple event s are different than apple script , yes?

Elliott Earls  asked:
>
>Apple event s are different than apple script , yes?

Yes, basically.

AppleScript _depends_ upon Apple Events.

But writing an AppleScript is far simpler than putting together the
equivalent string of Apple Events and event hanlders by hand.

>does any one know of a way to send apple events from inside max?

aesend, aereceive, aebang.

However, these do not allow you to do all conceivable AppleEvents. OTOH,
I can't conceive of a single Max external that could allow you to do all
conceiveable AppleEvents. The syntax is just far too complex. But maybe
someone more creative than I can find a way.

#pragma requisite_plug ON

You can also use the QKSend family of external objects to send
AppleEvents from Max to QuicKeys. And, once you're in QuicKeys, the world
is at your doorstep.

#pragma requisite_plug RESET

Cheers,

Peter

---------------- http://www.prz.tu-berlin.de/~pcastine/ ----------------
Dr. Peter Castine             Naturally the common people don't want war
pcastine@prz.tu-berlin.de     ... but after all it is the leaders of a
                              country who determine policy, and it is
always a simple matter to drag the people along ... All you have to do
is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack
of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.      -- Hermann Goering

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Date:    Sun, 22 Mar 1998 16:30:40 +0100
From:    Jost Muxfeldt 
Subject: cubase vst plugin

>
> >
> >How does a cubase vst plugin run under max? do you mean there is a way of
> >getting these plugins to run in the max environment?
> >
> >
> You need MSP and ftp://ftp.cycling74.com/vst.sit.bin.
>
> Roby Steinmetzer
> Luxembourg, Europe
>

done, but the vst.sit file is password protected. I take it this means I'm
supposed to contact someone to pay a shareware fee. If it really works, I'm
quite willing. Do you have more info on the vst object?

JM

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Date:    Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:55:46 +0100
From:    Roby Steinmetzer 
Subject: Re: cubase vst plugin

>
>done, but the vst.sit file is password protected. I take it this means I'm
>supposed to contact someone to pay a shareware fee. If it really works, I'm
>quite willing. Do you have more info on the vst object?
>
>

I'm sorry for this.
David has already corrected the URL by an earlier posting.
As I don't know if I can post the password here without David's permission,
you have to go to http://www.cycling74.com/support/news.html to get it.

Sometimes what appears to be the straightest way is in fact the longer one.
I should have paid attention.

But you're lucky, no shareware fee!!

Roby Steinmetzer
Luxembourg, Europe

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Date:    Sun, 22 Mar 1998 18:18:19 +0100
From:    Peter Castine 
Subject: Who was it that MTV unplugged?

Dear Collected Wisdom,

actually, dear whoever-you-were-who-was-unplugged-by-MTV... (those who
don't recognize what this is about can safely ignore & delete this
message)

Would it be too much trouble to send me a brief recap of the story? I've
been looking through my archives of the list and haven't been able to
find anything (even who it was).

Thanks,

Peter

---------------- http://www.prz.tu-berlin.de/~pcastine/ ----------------
Dr. Peter Castine           | Wer etwa an zu feinen Ohren leidet,
pcastine@prz.tu-berlin.de   | dem sei geraten, da=DF er Th=FCringen
                            | vermeidet.
                            |             -- Walther von der Vogelweide

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Date:    Sun, 22 Mar 1998 21:46:34 +0000
From:    marc ravelomanantsoa 
Subject: thanks for bomb-problem solving

Thank you Sephen K. for help but all you said was OK for me without solving.

The key was  in MAX memory allocation . With 10 Mo that works .Thanks a lot
David Z.

Other question :
does any one have done smthg with / for ArtPad-like interface ?  I mean
getting
X,Y control plus PRESSURE with the pen.

marc r.

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