Subject: MAX Digest - 19 Mar 1998 to 20 Mar 1998 - Special issue
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:38:44 -0500
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There are 16 messages totalling 529 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. MAX and PlainTalk / SpeechManager (3)
  2. Slide Projectors
  3. MAX at NAMM
  4. Empty the trash.  You've got too many MaxTemp Files in there
  5. slide projectors (2)
  6. Define Path to save collfiles
  7. Booting Max gives thrills...
  8. carousel slide projectors
  9. Max in live show
 10. MAX Digest - 17 Mar 1998 to 18 Mar 1998
 11. death at trade shows
 12. Any Boston Max users
 13. bomb fragload error (was Digest)

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Date:    Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:40:59 -0500
From:    Johnny DeKam 
Subject: MAX and PlainTalk / SpeechManager

  j_p_m / p_t_c  wrote:

>Has anyone used MAX with Macintosh PlainTalk / SpeechManager?
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I just did a performance two nights ago called "Phrenetic Phonetic"
Using nothing but the speech manager as a sound source on a powerbook 5300.

Hats off to ichi for writing the "ispeak" object for PPC.
(It also works fine in 68k 3.0 MAX)

I am able to "speak" two different voices at the same time, continuously
changing
pitch, rate, volume and panning information.  -- any more than two voices
and it seems to get pretty noisy. (strange clicks and pops)  but I am
pretty impressed that it does more than one voice at all.

More advice, stay away from the "Macintalk Pro" series of voices, they seem
to be prone to crashing.

Question for others:

Does anyone know a good reference for the "phonetic" language of the speech
manager?  ichi's ispeak allows you to go into "phonetic" mode, which reads
character strings differently, and in a more interesting way.  His help
patch reads strings like "_>>>>>>>>>>>AW"  which changes timbre over a
period of time, but not really pitch.   (it sounds somewhat like an FM
synth playing a long note)
Can anyone explain how the phonetic approach works in speech manager?

Johnny DeKam
http://www.sjmar.com/plumbline

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Date:    Fri, 20 Mar 1998 01:31:38 -0500
From:    David Crandall 
Subject: Re: MAX and PlainTalk / SpeechManager

On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Johnny DeKam wrote:

> I just did a performance two nights ago called "Phrenetic Phonetic"
> Using nothing but the speech manager as a sound source on a powerbook
5300.

Any documentation/information online? I'm curious.

David Crandall

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"America's achievement: history's best-dressed peasant class."
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dcrand1@gl.umbc.edu

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Date:    Fri, 20 Mar 1998 01:43:21 EST
From:    MediaMat 
Subject: Slide Projectors

In a message dated 3/19/98 9:01:56 PM, you wrote:

<>

 Depending on the model, you can do it one of 2 ways.  Some of the newer=
=0AKodaks and such have a serial interfacethat you can access through the=
 Macs=0Aserial port.  Older ones need something like our DO-16 Midi inter=
face to wire=0Ato the remote control jack, then you can access it from Ma=
x.  There are=0Aseveral ways to dim the bulb if the model you have doesn'=
t have dimmer=0Acapability, including our CL6-1800 Midi dimmer.  Call us =
if you want more=0Ainfo.

Dan Jamele
MediaMation=99 Inc
2461 W, 205th St. # B-100
Torrance,
CA. 90501
USA
310-320-0696  Phone
310-320-0699  Fax
mediamat@aol.com  (email)
www.mediamat.com  =0A

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Date:    Fri, 20 Mar 1998 01:46:48 EST
From:    MediaMat 
Subject: MAX at NAMM

In a message dated 3/19/98 9:01:56 PM, you wrote:

<Sorry to say it, but no - equally as feeble.  Max wasn't running on
>a single computer at NAMM. >>

Not True!  We always have at least some Max patcher runnign at our booth at
NAMM and this year was no exception.  Yea, OK, nobody really cared, but it
was
there!

Dan Jamele
MediaMation Inc

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Date:    Fri, 20 Mar 1998 02:55:18 -0600
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: Empty the trash.  You've got too many MaxTemp Files in there

>>Sorry to say it, but no - equally as feeble.  Max wasn't running on
>>a single computer at NAMM.  It doesn't make any money for Opcode
>>really, compared to any other product, and even at that they have
>>to give part of it to IRCAM.  It's basically a dead issue.  The
>>only ones keeping it alive are the universities and this list.
>
>Strike off La Trobe University.  Looks as if the slags are winning

>On the other side I'm a bit astonished about David's release of the vst~
> external.
>Don't understand me wrong, the object is absolutely great.
>As a CubaseVst user I'm more than happy about it.
>
>But how does Opcode think about it??

Booting         gives thrills...

         [Max]

>Or should I interpret it as an attempt for a new partnership? ;-)
>I hate his p0st|ngs

'Empty the trash.  You've got too many MaxTemp Files in there'

&|

1 great movement must experience 3 stages: ridicule, discussion,
adoption

hate.partnersh!pz.w!n.

Booting         gives thrills...

>You do, in every email message he posts.

!t.

>His CD ("a9ff")

!tz.

>In any case, it would be a mistake not to believe I'm frustrated
>with the Max situation at Opcode, and frustrated at my inability
>to change it. But I will prevail.

Subject: MAX and PlainTalk / SpeechManager

Booting         gives thrills...

         [Max]

>Has anyone used MAX with Macintosh PlainTalk / SpeechManager.

1 .

human synthesis and control
Now is a moment to take
     preemptive steps before the downward cycle of violence gains too
     much momentum.

$tcpdata=~s/\W//g;
printf $fh pack ("H*",$tcpdata);
zkrzt();

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Date:    Fri, 20 Mar 1998 05:04:49 -0400
From:    Jim Bell 
Subject: Re: slide projectors

Jem Finer wrote:
>Does anyone know how to control slide projectors via Max - any patches,
>interfaces etc  ?
I did an installation last year controlling slide projectors with Max and
Infusion System's I-Cube. I just rewired the remote cable into their Relay
Actuator. Pretty simple and it worked fine.

Jim Bell

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Date:    Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:02:04 +0100
From:    "Dr. Karlheinz Essl" 
Subject: Re: MAX and PlainTalk / SpeechManager

j_p_m / p_t_c asked:

> Has anyone used MAX with Macintosh PlainTalk / SpeechManager.

I use it frequently in my sound installations, such as "Lexicon-Oracle"
which is also available on the net:

        http://www.essl.at/works/lexicon-oracle.html

The MAX patch is included in the latest release of my "Real Time
Composition Library for MAX", available at:

        http://www.essl.at/works/rtc.html

There is a FAT MAX-external called "ispeak" written by our Japanese friend
ichi which you can find on IRCAM's MAX ftp-site:

        ftp://ftp.ircam.fr/pub/forumnet/max/FAT/sound/

It works pretty well and allows you to manipulate (nearly) all parameters
of the SpeechManager such as tempo, modulation, panning (!), pitch etc.

Hope that helps,

   Dr. Karlheinz Essl - Composer
   Vienna / Austria
   Studio for Advanced Music & Media Technology
   http://www.essl.at/

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Date:    Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:09:20 -0800
From:    Cornelius Poepel 
Subject: Define Path to save collfiles

Hello all,

how can I define the path to save a collfile in a max-patch.
Is it possible with the message write ?

Thnks for help, Cornelius P.

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Date:    Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:57:37 -0000
From:    Nick Rothwell 
Subject: Re: Booting Max gives thrills...

> =80 error: rescopy: failed to add DLOG 3146, error -61
> =80 error: rescopy: failed to add DITL 3146, error -61
> =80 error: rescopy: failed to add STR# 3146, error -61
> =80 error: rescopy: failed to add ics# 3146, error -61
> =80 error: rescopy: failed to add ics4 3146, error -61
> =80 error: rescopy: failed to add ics8 3146, error -61
> =80 error: rescopy: failed to add DITL 3160, error -61
> =80 error: rescopy: failed to add DLOG 3160, error -61
> =80 error: rescopy: failed to add DLOG 3107, error -61
> =80 error: rescopy: failed to add DITL 3107, error -61
> =80 error: rescopy: failed to add DITL 3108, error -61

I really should pay more attention ... for a few seconds, I just
thought this was another communication from Antiorp.

--
        Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL            contemporary dance projects
        http://www.cassiel.com            music synthesis and control

        NOTICE - this vessel has triple screws - keep clear of blades

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Date:    Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:44:47 -0400
From:    Alan Edwards 
Subject: Re: carousel slide projectors

>Does anyone know how to control slide projectors via Max - any patches,
>interfaces etc  ?

There are a variety of MIDI triggerred slide controllers out there.
One example can be seen at:

http://www.pavo.com/midi/midipowr.htm#Quad

Good Luck

Alan

Alan Edwards
Instructor, Digital Communications
New Brunswick Community College
http://www.smythe.nbcc.nb.ca

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Date:    Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:01:59 -0600
From:    "C. Smith!" 
Subject: Max in live show

If anybody is curious, here's a link to the part of my site that talks
about the tech details of my band's live electronic show. Max is a huge
part of the lighting and video.

Chris.

http://web2.airmail.net/tr808/live.html

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Date:    Fri, 20 Mar 1998 17:06:18 +0000
From:    marc ravelomanantsoa 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 17 Mar 1998 to 18 Mar 1998

David Zicarelli and Curtis Bahn  thru
Automatic digest processor wrote:

> Date:    Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:53:45 -0800
> From:    David Zicarelli 
> Subject: Re: drop the Bomb
>
> Curtis Bahn  writes:
>
> >On my PTP and G3 I am only able to get the pallette to display greyscale
> >unless I am in heat or noise modes.  I've tried resetting color display
and
> >twiddling all the knobs etc.
>
> The important file for color is "cmap-data" which must be in the Max
> folder. It's possible that Bomb could get confused about where to
> look for "cmap-data", and you might weight your chances by
> putting bomb in the max-startup folder, before other objects
> or something have had a chance to mess with this. I'm just
> speculating here, it has always worked for me once cmap-data is
> in the Max folder.
>
> You have to see the colors! That's my favorite thing about it.
> Many of the color maps were taken from photographs. Look at the
> file cmap-data as text for clues to the sorts of images used to
> generate the data.
>
> >No matter where I put the image files (the "put in max folder" folder) I
> >can't get them to load.
>
> A good clue as to whether images (and all the other things) are loading
> is if you see the title screen when it starts up.
>
> The file "suck-dir" is a list of the image files, which should
> be in a folder called "suck" inside your Max folder. Again, it's
> never not worked for me so I don't know what the variables are
> here. I will say that all the file code is C-library style
> rather than Mac-specific style. I'm planning on changing that
> so that all these files can be any place in the Max search
> path.
>
> David Z.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:30:02 -0400
> From:    Curtis Bahn 
> Subject: Re: drop the Bomb
>
> I get it.   I put the entire folder "put in max folder" into the max
folder
> and added it to the search path.  You have to place the various files and
> the suck folder directly into the max application folder.  Now I see the
> colors and images.
> thanks!
> crb
>

> *************************************

  Hello Maxers,

Let me introcuce myself before the subject.

I' m a brand new max-enjoyer. That's for a long time however that I would
throw
myself in this adventure.
I went to computer-music via Atari and Notator (E-magic) - 10 yers ago - and
I
felt beeing cramped with those  kind of tools. When I heard about Max I
remembered the words of a sculpter saying : " when 2 sculpters meet they
don't
talk about sculpture, they talk about tools ". Then back in France (from
Madagascar) 3 years ago I bought a PPC and joined as soon as it was possible
the
Ircam forum. My matter is composition. I'm practicing in the  composition
group
at the Ircam forum and soon I bought Max. I ENJOY it . Further, I plan to
get
MSP licence. May be at Ircam during the next spring workshop (04 /1,2,3) in
Paris.

My musical projects (I'm busy in another hand with my "official" job :
mechanical engineer) are around intuitive way (Vs. normative teaching) for
kids
(and for amateurs) to enter the music world . I'd like to work in particular
with the Francisco Varela's concept of emerging-in-action ("enaction" he
says) .
I would like to call it ComposAction Vs. composing with symbolic
representations.
More about those flights of fancy on my future web-site (to be done) ...

For the moment I have question about bomb.  I didn't find any "application"
in
the max bomb folder downloaded and expanded on my hard disk.Just a file
"bomb"
with it's plug-within icone (external-like) . And when I open file from the
bomb
tutorial folder I get  a message : "can't fragload bomb (missing bomb), err
-2810 ".
Thank you in advance for help.

Thanks to David Z. for his great M*-family  tools (M, Max, MSP ) . Thanks to
Miller P. too. Thanks to all max externals contibutors

 P.S. : please forgive my approximate english

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Date:    Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:03:53 -0000
From:    Jeremy Roberts 
Subject: Re: death at trade shows

>It is hard to do a good Max demo

David,

I can't agree with you...

I have been able to do brief Max demos to my associates and clients by
showing the building blocks, then showing complete subpatchers, then
showing complete applications.

Think of a Max demo like a "cooking show" or a "Norm, Master Carpenter"
on TV...  have your elements ready to eat, but only show the basics...
but show how the elements interract, etc... then show the final results...

I think having someone who is a master doing the demo, but who also has
sales skills is crucial. Know your customer!!!!

But it can be done.

Since the target customer for Max isn't the PC/multimedia/gamers that
everyone else is going after...  it's what it is, and it is the only game
in town... good marketing will take that and use it for all it's worth.

I've said too much.

jr

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Date:    Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:28:03 -0500
From:    R Marc 
Subject: Any Boston Max users

Dear Max Liszt

Anyone in a position to tell me how i might find out about individuals or
groups using Max in the Boston MA area?

tkx

rmt

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Date:    Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:04:06 -0400
From:    Jim Bell 
Subject: Re: slide projectors

Jem,
Just another thought about controlling slide projectors with Max and the
I-Cube. It's actually possible to do the reverse, that is, to use the slide
projectors to control Max. For instance, if you use two slide projectors
with a dissolve unit you can position a light sensor close to the lamp on
one of the projectors and get it to send a bang when the light reaches a
certain intensity. That way you can synchronize events in Max with the
timing reference set in the dissolve unit.
BTW, referring to my last post, to control the projector using the remote
cable you need two relays, one for forward and one for reverse. I rolled my
own second one, they're pretty easy to put together.
Hope that helps,
Jim Bell

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Date:    Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:36:41 -0500
From:    Stephen Kay 
Subject: Re: bomb fragload error (was Digest)

>>For the moment I have question about bomb.  I didn't find any
"application" in
the max bomb folder downloaded and expanded on my hard disk.Just a file
"bomb"
>with it's plug-within icone (external-like) . And when I open file from
the bomb
>tutorial folder I get  a message : "can't fragload bomb (missing bomb),
err
>-2810 ".

There is no application in the bomb folder.  It's a MAX external.

1) put the "bomb" object in either your max-startup folder, or your
externals folder where all the other objects are.

2) Take the _contents_ of the "put in max folder" folder (not the folder)=

and put all of those files directly in the MAX 3.5.x folder, with the
MAX application.

Launch Max and open bomb.help.  Should work now.

Stephen Kay
----------------------- The MegaMAX Collection -----------------------
  Over 30 Max objects for the creation of more professional looking, =

         feeling, and functioning patchers and applications.
                      http://www.musikinetix.com
                          sk@musikinetix.com
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