Subject: MAX Digest - 17 Mar 1998 to 18 Mar 1998
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There are 10 messages totalling 292 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. b.omb dze dr.op.
  2. drop the Bomb (3)
  3. Where to Download MSP
  4. MusikMesse nano-report (3)
  5. Authorization problems
  6. Antiorp Review

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Date:    Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:29:07 -0600
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: b.omb dze dr.op.

>I've just completed a preliminary version of Bomb--an
>interactive computer graphics instrument--as a Max object. I've put a
>pointer to it at http://www.cycling74.com/support/news.html

doez !t = d!ff dzen 1 on ftp 3 dayz ago _?

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Date:    Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:53:45 -0800
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: Re: drop the Bomb

Curtis Bahn  writes:

>On my PTP and G3 I am only able to get the pallette to display greyscale
>unless I am in heat or noise modes.  I've tried resetting color display and
>twiddling all the knobs etc.

The important file for color is "cmap-data" which must be in the Max
folder. It's possible that Bomb could get confused about where to
look for "cmap-data", and you might weight your chances by
putting bomb in the max-startup folder, before other objects
or something have had a chance to mess with this. I'm just
speculating here, it has always worked for me once cmap-data is
in the Max folder.

You have to see the colors! That's my favorite thing about it.
Many of the color maps were taken from photographs. Look at the
file cmap-data as text for clues to the sorts of images used to
generate the data.

>No matter where I put the image files (the "put in max folder" folder) I
>can't get them to load.

A good clue as to whether images (and all the other things) are loading
is if you see the title screen when it starts up.

The file "suck-dir" is a list of the image files, which should
be in a folder called "suck" inside your Max folder. Again, it's
never not worked for me so I don't know what the variables are
here. I will say that all the file code is C-library style
rather than Mac-specific style. I'm planning on changing that
so that all these files can be any place in the Max search
path.

David Z.

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Date:    Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:30:02 -0400
From:    Curtis Bahn 
Subject: Re: drop the Bomb

I get it.   I put the entire folder "put in max folder" into the max folder
and added it to the search path.  You have to place the various files and
the suck folder directly into the max application folder.  Now I see the
colors and images.
thanks!
crb

>Curtis Bahn  writes:
>
>>On my PTP and G3 I am only able to get the pallette to display greyscale
>>unless I am in heat or noise modes.  I've tried resetting color display
and
>>twiddling all the knobs etc.
>
>The important file for color is "cmap-data" which must be in the Max
>folder. It's possible that Bomb could get confused about where to
>look for "cmap-data", and you might weight your chances by
>putting bomb in the max-startup folder, before other objects
>or something have had a chance to mess with this. I'm just
>speculating here, it has always worked for me once cmap-data is
>in the Max folder.
>
>You have to see the colors! That's my favorite thing about it.
>Many of the color maps were taken from photographs. Look at the
>file cmap-data as text for clues to the sorts of images used to
>generate the data.
>
>>No matter where I put the image files (the "put in max folder" folder) I
>>can't get them to load.
>
>A good clue as to whether images (and all the other things) are loading
>is if you see the title screen when it starts up.
>
>The file "suck-dir" is a list of the image files, which should
>be in a folder called "suck" inside your Max folder. Again, it's
>never not worked for me so I don't know what the variables are
>here. I will say that all the file code is C-library style
>rather than Mac-specific style. I'm planning on changing that
>so that all these files can be any place in the Max search
>path.
>
>David Z.

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Date:    Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:03:28 -0600
From:    charles shriner 
Subject: Where to Download MSP

Where may I download the full version of MSP?
Thanks
--
Charles
ccps@iquest.net
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"Organization inhibits Reorganization"
        -Schneirla & Rosenblatt-

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Date:    Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:51:20 +0100
From:    Peter Castine 
Subject: MusikMesse nano-report

Dear Folks,

I managed to spend about four minutes at the OpCode stand at the
Frankfurt MusikMesse (believe me, there was plenty of other stuff to do!-)

As I arrived, there was an encrazed American with a funky pilot's helmet
doing some shtick about sequencers and stand personell passing out fliers
about Studio Vision. I managed to grab someone's attention and ask: "Are
you showing Max at the show?"

"No, too complicated for the people here, but if you want some
information, talk to our tech guy with the long hair."

So, I work my way through the masses and find the guy with the long hair
(which wasn't so long, but maybe my standards are different;-)

"No, we're not showing Max. It's too complicated."

That was it.

In retrospect, I wish I'd had the presence of mind to launch Max on one
of the demo machines and build, say, a harmonizer on the spot (something
like a notein, a noteout, and two + objects in between). Having been out
until 2:00am the night before cruising the Frankfurt suburbs, I was not
in top form and went on to the next stand (the one with the Marilyn
Monroe clone). But that's another story or two.

Maybe it was just OpCode's German distributor that was so feeble. Is
OpCode any more Max-competent at NAMM?

Cheers,

Peter

---------------- http://www.prz.tu-berlin.de/~pcastine/ ----------------
Dr. Peter Castine         | I think [Windows users] are happy with
pcastine@prz.tu-berlin.de | Windows, and that's an incredibly depressing
                          | thought.                       -- Steve Jobs

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Date:    Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:41:54 -0000
From:    Nick Rothwell 
Subject: Re: MusikMesse nano-report

> "No, too complicated for the people here, but if you want some
> information, talk to our tech guy with the long hair."
> ...
> "No, we're not showing Max. It's too complicated."

Was the original conversation in German? Is "complicated" the most
appropriate translation?

Compared with the megabytes of bloat and semantically chaotic and
disruptive features one finds in the mainstream packages these days,
MAX is really simple. What's challenging is a way of presenting it to
people in a way that they'll understand, and such that they might see
its relevance to their working methods and paradigms.

But that's why marketing people are given expensive fast cars, yes?

--
        Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL            contemporary dance projects
        http://www.cassiel.com            music synthesis and control

        NOTICE - this vessel has triple screws - keep clear of blades

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Date:    Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:25:38 -0500
From:    Tom Ritchford 
Subject: Re: drop the Bomb

The illustrious David Zicarelli  scribed:
>Subject: drop the Bomb

Ooh, it looks good already!
>
>Although I'm more of a musician than a lawyer,

Sayyy... what?!

>I think this program
>generates images of extraordinary beauty and sophistication, and I
>encourage you to spend some quality time with it.

Oh-oh -- it's like a Tamagotchi?

        /t

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Date:    Wed, 18 Mar 1998 13:38:41 -0500
From:    Stephen Kay 
Subject: MusikMesse nano-report

>Maybe it was just OpCode's German distributor that was so feeble. Is
>OpCode any more Max-competent at NAMM?

Sorry to say it, but no - equally as feeble.  Max wasn't running on =

a single computer at NAMM.  It doesn't make any money for Opcode
really, compared to any other product, and even at that they have
to give part of it to IRCAM.  It's basically a dead issue.  The
only ones keeping it alive are the universities and this list.

Stephen Kay
----------------------- The MegaMAX Collection -----------------------
  Over 30 Max objects for the creation of more professional looking, =

         feeling, and functioning patchers and applications.
                      http://www.musikinetix.com
                          sk@musikinetix.com
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Date:    Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:40:10 -0800
From:    James Livingston 
Subject: Re: Authorization problems

>I realize this might seem like vamping on a well known problem, but what
>exactly is the state of the problems with hard disk authorizations? Can I
>install from our Max master disk under various (7.5.3 to 8.1) versions of
>the System without fearing loss of authorizations or worse, totally losing
>the master disk?

Any version of SVPro that is 3.5 or later will be authorized/deauthorized
properly under any version of the system software.

MAX would need to be 3.5.8 at least in order to authorize/deauthorize on
Systems running OS8.  With older versions of MAX, you can boot up with an
older version of the System software (unless you are working with a G3
machine), authorize the hard disk and then restart with OS8; bearing in
mind that you will need to have the old System disk around when you want to
deauthorize.

-James Livingston
Opcode Systems Technical Support

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Date:    Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:19:33 -0500
From:    Tommy DOG 
Subject: Antiorp Review

Dear Uncle Max,
If anyone ever doubted that this hard to read being had some idea as to
what "it" was doing, I suggest the downloading of his work from the IRCAM
Forumnet Max incoming folder.

I played around with the application for quite a long while before it
managed to crash my PPC.  It reminds me of the work of my friend Reed
Ghazala:
Abstract, modern and very forward thinking.

I wish more people did such interesting work.  I'm looking forward to
seeing more of Antiorp's programming.
TD

"Death To The Dumb, Curses Upon The Heads Of The Weird"
Tommy DOG, specialist & curator of noises and visual oddities
http://www.mindspring.com/~jjprinz/uni-mirror/uni.html
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/3976/uni.html

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