Subject: MAX Digest - 2 Mar 1998 to 3 Mar 1998
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 00:01:10 -0500
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There are 3 messages totalling 87 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Audio Card Roundup
  2. Error type 11
  3. Play a sequence backwards?


Date:    Tue, 3 Mar 1998 00:12:37 -0800
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: Audio Card Roundup

OK, my favorite subject has come up again. PCI audio cards! Here's
my opportunity to sound like the curmudgeon I really am...

"Frank L. Thiel"  writes:

>   The MSP info on your cycling74 page says that "Support for the Emagic
>audio card is forthcoming."  I would like to use this card for a
>multi-channel output application I am making in MSP.  I'd heard there was
>some problem getting documentation from Emagic.  Would you please let me
>know where support for this card stands?  Thank you very much.

I've messed around with this card a bit and I'm not happy about it.
The only (and therefore minimum) vector size is 8K (8192 samples).
That means hundreds of milliseconds of latency. That wouldn't
be so bad I suppose if I could get the driver to work, but while
their test application seems to work, it crashes when initializing
inside Max. I'm not giving up on it yet, but things don't look

Bill Vorn  writes:

>What about the new 2408 interface from Mark of the Unicorn? Any plans for
>specific support?

No plans. I guess I will write to them. Sigh.

At the rate these substantially identical cards are being introduced,
there should be several hundred by next year. This is clearly not
a situation that can continue indefinitely. One possible solution
is for anyone making one of these cards to write their own ASIO
interface, and then for Steinberg to publicize the ASIO specification.

Then it's just a matter of having audio applications support
the other side of this specification. I would really like this
situation a lot. Supporting audio cards is a huge pain. You have
to read each card's too-clever C++ API and figure out
how to cut through all the stupid crap they add. Programmers
with too much time on their hands.

Wish I could fall into that category.

David Z.


Date:    Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:42:45 +0100
From:    Roland Cahen & Ruth Sefton-Green 
Subject: Error type 11

I get bombed even with the update of MSP.
Especially when opening sound files for sfplay~.
The reason seems that the 'open xxx' message is sent before the sound file
is stoped,
but it's a very long task to test all cases.
Even when I order the triggering it still happens.
Do you need to 'fclose' the soundfile before opening a new one ?

Roland Cahen


Date:    Tue, 3 Mar 1998 11:59:18 -0500
From:    Steve Smith 
Subject: Play a sequence backwards?

Is any instruction to the seq object which will set it to play a sequence


Steve Smith


    -Jason Kidd, upon his drafting to the Dallas Mavericks



End of MAX Digest - 2 Mar 1998 to 3 Mar 1998