Subject: MAX Digest - 9 Feb 1998 to 10 Feb 1998
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There are 13 messages totalling 332 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Dreamy MSP
  2. penMode
  3. Wacom Tablet Pressure Data (2)
  4. talking to Director; ADB I/O
  5. invalid file selected for updating
  6. talking to Director (2)
  7. feedback in MSP and fireworks (2)
  8. lcd penMode
  9. PB Audio
 10. Non OMS Patchbays

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Date:    Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:11:20 +0100
From:    Roland Cahen & Ruth Sefton-Green 
Subject: Dreamy MSP

MSP is a magnificent tool, somewhat a revolution, but chut!
Don't say it too loudly, is isn't so easy to use, or if it is,
it isn't easy to make music with. Wait and see.
That's probably why there wasn't such an enthusiatic reaction on this list
recently.
I wish it would be a little more standardised, not to be obliged to
remember all the complicated complications of every object,
my memory is leaking.
Roland Cahen

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Date:    Tue, 10 Feb 1998 08:31:04 -0500
From:    Fred Collopy 
Subject: penMode

Maurizio Giri  wrote:

>Hi all, i need some help.
>
>I'm trying to use lcd for a sort of graphic score input and i would like to
>know the meaning of the various penMode commands. I know they have
>something to do with bitwise logic, but, for istance, what's the difference
>between the Copy and Or modes?

Murizio,

penMode interacts with penPat to determine how drawing is done. Many of the
modes have the same effect, depending upon how your penPat is described.
The particulars about what each penMode does can get a little messy,
particularly as you move to color. The best source for details is the
QuickDraw volume of Inside Macintosh.

Fred

Fred Collopy
Associate Professor
Management Information and Decision Systems
Weatherhead School of Management
Case Western Reserve University
Cleveland, Ohio 44106
(216)368-2144 voice
(216)368-4776 fax

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Date:    Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:05:54 -0500
From:    Adrienne Lee Harvey 
Subject: Wacom Tablet Pressure Data

Does anyone know if there is an object written to capture the pressure
data from a wacom graphics tablet?  I know that the x,y coordinates of the
pointer can be tracked using MouseState, but there are no provisions for
pressure that I have found.

Thanks,
Adrienne

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Date:    Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:48:33 -0500
From:    David Crandall 
Subject: talking to Director; ADB I/O

I'm conversing with a Director expert and we're kicking around the idea of
letting Max (2.5.2;PM 7600/132) crunch numbers/process sensor data in the
BG and run a Director (5 *or* 6) movie -- hopefully all on the same
machine.

What's the best way to do this?  Most of the MIDI stuff I see associated
with Director seems to be just for playing back MIDI sequences, and
hyperMIDI seems to have vanished (not that I'm sure what it did in the
first place).

I looked back through some old posts and saw a mention of using the serial
object to send commands to Lingo but couldn't see from the help file how
to do that unless Director is on a completely different machine.

Could it be that there is some way IAC could talk to Director?  Is this a
job for the new QuicKeys or some kind of apple script or events
capability?  Could this be finally my excuse to upgrade?

My friend also mentioned a new $199 ADB I/O box that takes 0-5 volt inputs
and turns them into ADB data.  Anybody tried it?

David Crandall

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"America's achievement: history's best-dressed peasant class."
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dcrand1@gl.umbc.edu

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Date:    Tue, 10 Feb 1998 10:29:20 -0800
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: invalid file selected for updating

If you try to install the MSP update I recently mentioned,
and you get an error that says "invalid file selected for
updating", here's what to do:

- take the file "MSP.pdf" out of the MSP Stuff folder and
put it on the desktop
- run the installer again
- either put MSP.pdf back, or, if you want the latest MSP.pdf
file, throw it away and download the latest one at

ftp://ftp.cycling74.com/mspdf3.sit.bin

Alternatively, if you have the original straight-out-of-the
installer MSP.pdf file, you can put that in MSP Stuff before
running the updater, and it will have a better chance of working.

Apparently Adobe Acrobat modifies PDF files when you read them.
So my clever scheme of attempting to update the documentation
with files containing only the differences between the old and
new versions will fail miserably.

David Z.

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Date:    Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:02:22 +0100
From:    Roby Steinmetzer 
Subject: Re: talking to Director

>
>Could it be that there is some way IAC could talk to Director?

I think there is.
Yamaha has developped the MIDXtra, a Director Xtra combined with a software
 synth that can talk to OMS.
http://www.cyber-bp.or.jp/yamaha/xtra-e/index.html

Roby Steinmetzer
Luxembourg, Europe

new (temporary) email address:
robstein@pt.lu

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Date:    Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:02:31 +0100
From:    Roby Steinmetzer 
Subject: Re: Wacom Tablet Pressure Data

>Does anyone know if there is an object written to capture the pressure
>data from a wacom graphics tablet?

Richard Dudas has written an object called "wacom" which should give you the
 information you request.
You can find it somewhere in:
ftp://ftp.ircam.fr/pub/forumnet/max/

Roby Steinmetzer
Luxembourg, Europe

new (temporary) email address:
robstein@pt.lu

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Date:    Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:29:12 +0100
From:    Roby Steinmetzer 
Subject: feedback in MSP and fireworks

Is there a way to implement a feedback in MSP, i.e. re-feeding the output
of=
 a cycle~ object into its input (like feedback in the DX7 or similar)?
This seems to be impossible as the audio stops when connecting the output
to=
 the input.

And a more "terre-=E0-terre" question:
Does anyone have experiences in triggering fireworks from Max?

Roby Steinmetzer
Luxembourg, Europe

new (temporary) email address:
robstein@pt.lu

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Date:    Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:32:30 -0500
From:    David Crandall 
Subject: Re: talking to Director

On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, Roby Steinmetzer wrote:

> >Could it be that there is some way IAC could talk to Director?
>
> I think there is.
> Yamaha has developped the MIDXtra, a Director Xtra combined with a
software
>  synth that can talk to OMS.
> http://www.cyber-bp.or.jp/yamaha/xtra-e/index.html

I just looked at the web page for MIDXtra, and it seems there is no MIDI
IN.  So Director could control MIDI but not *be* controlled by it, which
is what I want.  Somebody please tell me if this is wrong.

BTW the optimum would be to be able to send streams of numbers to
Director, but maybe this is not realistic.  Using prepend/append, etc, to
assemble and send discrete Lingo commands would, I think, get us most of
the way to where we need to be with this.  Still curious about that serial
object solution...

David Crandall

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"America's achievement: history's best-dressed peasant class."
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dcrand1@gl.umbc.edu

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Date:    Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:36:16 -0500
From:    David Crandall 
Subject: Re: feedback in MSP and fireworks

On Tue, 10 Feb 1998, Roby Steinmetzer wrote:

> Does anyone have experiences in triggering fireworks from Max?

Wow.  Hm.  But wouldn't that make it illegal to export? :-|

David Crandall

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"America's achievement: history's best-dressed peasant class."
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dcrand1@gl.umbc.edu

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Date:    Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:07:40 +0000
From:    Jean Favory 
Subject: lcd penMode

Maurizio Giri wrote:
> I'm trying to use lcd for a sort of graphic score input and i would like
to
> know the meaning of the various penMode commands. I know they have
> something to do with bitwise logic, but, for istance, what's the
difference
> between the Copy and Or modes?

Here are the penMode(s) how they are described in inside Macintosh with
there related number in Max:

patCopy     0   overwrite background entirely
patOr       1   overwrite where pattern is black
patXor      2   invert where pattern and bkgd are both black
patBic      3   force white where pattern is black
notpatCopy  4   invert pattern, then patCopy
notPatOr    5   invert pattern, then patOr
notpatXor   6   invert pattern, then patXor
notPatBic   7   invert pattern, then patBic

--
http://www.cosa-mentale.fr/MIM.html

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Date:    Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:03:53 -0800
From:    Gavin Cook 
Subject: Re: PB Audio

Hi all...

> From:    Stephen Kay 
> Subject: audio PC-card for PB3400
>
> When I was at the NAMM show, at Apple's booth I saw a PB G3 with
> a large adapter and cable coming out of the expansion slot, going
> directly to a rack of DigiDesign Audio stuff.  I'm not sure
> exactly what was going on (I had other reasons for being at the
> show), but it was some type of PCI interface to the DigiDesign
> cards, doing digital audio.  I'm sure you can get info from
> Digidesign...
>
> Sorry this isn't more detailed...
>
> Stephen Kay

That's probably the PCI Expanson System by Magma. It gives a PB 3400 or G3
either 7 or 13 Full PCI slots... It's really cool... & It's "certified" for
ProTools. I think there's someone else doing this too, But I'm not too sure
who they are...

        http://www.magma.com/index.htm

gavin

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Date:    Tue, 10 Feb 1998 17:10:39 -0800
From:    Gavin Cook 
Subject: Re: Non OMS Patchbays

> From:    Nicholas Hind 
> Subject: FAQ (non-OMS patchbays?)
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm new to this list, and was wondering if a FAQ is available.
>
> I'm specifically interested to know about MAX users' experience with
> non-OMS MIDI patchbays...whether any are recommended and what degree of
> success has been achieved with their use.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Nicky Hind

Just to chime in with all the other MOTU ppl... I'm using a MIDI Express XT
and it works great. I've got it plugged into my Power Mac running FreeMIDI
and my Quadra 660 A/V running OMS & Max. Supposedly the new FreeMIDI has a
much improved OMS emulation. I'm going to try running Max on it, but I'm
not too optimistic. But I have to say the MIDI Express is the best "Support"
device I've got in my rig. I never have any of the headaches my friends
do...

gavin

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