Subject: MAX Digest - 3 Feb 1998 to 4 Feb 1998
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 00:00:03 -0500
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There are 15 messages totalling 360 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. CD-DA
  2. 3feb cd | cd-r
  3. Syjet experiences
  4. MAX Digest - 3 Feb 1998
  5. MSP and sound card
  7. Multiple arguments for send and receive
  8. JAZ mysteries
  9. MSP/Yamaha DS2416
 10. Jaz/SyJet/Zip
 11. adbio object update
 12. Syjet experiences and Zip torture
 13. June Workshops in Computer Music at Oberlin College
 14. recording cd's
 15. short delay lines in msp?


Date:    Tue, 3 Feb 1998 23:19:26 -0600
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: CD-DA

>Concerning software, there is an intermediate solution between Toast Pro
>Digidesign Masterlist which is Astarte (perhaps Adaptec now) CD-DA, which
is a
>software oriented towards audio-CD burning ( $300, disc-at-once,
>and seems to be a very interesting software.
>Does anyone on the list have some experience with that software?

masterl!zt 2.o = operabl sans digi hardware
cd - da = adaptec jam . kompl!mentz ov dze !d ot -k am3r!kan
nam!ng kom.m!tte.e.


Date:    Tue, 3 Feb 1998 23:24:02 -0600
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: 3feb cd | cd-r

>i am not aware of ANY mac program that lets you copy audio tracks directly
>from a cd drive onto a cd-r - i always have to save them as AIFF or SD2
>files first. if anyone knows of a way to do this - please let me know! it
>would be very convenient...

!t = ecz!stz

>sorry for the offtopic post... :)



Date:    Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:19:04 -0800
From:    Peter Nyboer 
Subject: Syjet experiences

>we are currently in a society that "neeeds"
>But we live in an imperfect world

dzank phUk33n g0d

pardon the apropriation, antiorp/=cw4t7abs, it just seemed appropriate.

Peter Nyboer
--home of Slambassador multimedia gallery--


Date:    Wed, 4 Feb 1998 02:26:51 +0000
From:    Ben Nevile 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 3 Feb 1998

> Will MSP support the new DS2416 PCI-DSP-card by Yamaha. When may we expect
> a mac-version of the card ?

That's a fine question.  The DSP card looks to be a real winner.

Someone who was at NAMM told me that the one thing that was made VERY
clear by everybody showing products there was that the Macintosh
computer is no longer going to be supported the way it once was.  It
seems the PC will soon take over as the leading computer platform for




Date:    Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:15:01 +0100
From:    "Dr. Karlheinz Essl" 
Subject: Re: MSP and sound card

Georg Hajdu  wrote:

> Has anyone ever tried to run MSP using a Powerbook and a PCI expansion bay
> hosting a sound card?
> I suspect this could be a viable solution for all the Powerbook owners
> don't want to forgo the advantages of high-quality converters.

E-MU is developing a PC-Card for the PowerBooks with digital in/out which
was announced to be Mac-ready soonish...

Have a look at:

for more information about it.

Hope that helps,

   Dr. Karlheinz Essl - Composer
   Vienna / Austria
   Studio for Advanced Music & Media Technology


Date:    Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:28:24 -0500
From:    Elliott Earls 

>i am not aware of ANY mac program that lets you copy audio tracks directly
>from a cd drive onto a cd-r - i always have to save them as AIFF or SD2
>files first. if anyone knows of a way to do this - please let me know! it
>would be very convenient...

The Mac version of Adaptec Toast has a "mode" called "scsi mode" =AD =
put disc #1 one into yer internal mac cd-rom drive put a blank disc =
into yer cd-writer (boom, or pow) you got an exact replica sector by =
sector audio whatever.

there is also Adaptec JAM for the mac. This is there "professional =
audio" CD-r software. writes disc at once. crossfade, sdll, aiff =
etc.... it's a nice program but it seems like they just packaged =
Toast with out all the CD-rom formats and c harged you 300 bucks to =
write disc at once.



Date:    Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:01:09 -0000
From:    Nick Rothwell 
Subject: Re: Multiple arguments for send and receive

> If you type into a sprintf: =
> set \;%ld.%s
> hook it up to a message box,
> and run an int into the first inlet and a symbol into the second outlet,
> you will get what you want (i.e. ";1.Pan") which is a send to 1.Pan.

If the semicolon message box trick causes problems, "send" objects
accept a "forward" message.

        Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL            contemporary dance projects            music synthesis and control

        NOTICE - this vessel has triple screws - keep clear of blades


Date:    Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:53:24 +0100
From:    Roland Cahen & Ruth Sefton-Green 
Subject: JAZ mysteries

I've had lost of troubles with Jaz.
It is a very unshure system, even if it is very convenient.
Sometimes, it blocks on long copys,
It does'nt work properly when pluged on a Pro Tools project card, not
because it is two slow, but because when after sometimes inactivity it
turns off, someting goes wrong and dammages the catalog tree. Then it
does'nt remenber even it's name. Never change the cartridge before make it
run again unless you would loose your work. This does'nt happen every time
but enough to make life unpleasant with it.
The safest way to work whith these systems is to wipe them very often and
never fill them up to the top.

Roland CAHEN


Date:    Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:21:33 MST
From:    Mike Metlay 
Subject: Re: MSP/Yamaha DS2416

>Date:    Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:06:41 +0100
>From:    karl kliem 
>Subject: MSP/Yamaha DS2416
>Will MSP support the new DS2416 PCI-DSP-card by Yamaha. When may we expect
>a mac-version of the card ?

No date for the Mac software has been set, but Yamaha has officially stated
that it is under development and will come eventually. Similarly, no Mac
developer has officially announced support for the card, but many are
expected to, once the card's definitely Mac-friendly.

That's not rumor, by the way; that's the official line from my contact at


PS> I'm not going to post my NAMM show report here, but if anyone wants a
copy I'll be glad to forward it. Interesting and occasionally goofy
observations on new synths and recording media, including a synth with a
mic attached, various Theremins, the criminal lack of Mac support by
Clavia, James Doohan, booth babes, and a tube synth from a HIGHLY unlikely

J. Ryait: "I am thinking of replacing my SY77 with an AN1x."
P. Nagle: "And I am thinking of replacing my pet armadillo with a kiwi
Mike Metlay - ATOMIC CITY - P. O. Box 81175, Pittsburgh, PA  15217-0675 USA
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Date:    Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:28:25 -0800
From:    Peter Elsea 
Subject: Jaz/SyJet/Zip

Mike asks
>I'll be interested to see how good a job the Zip does with digital
We've been using zips here at UCSC for a year or so. With stereo, there's
no problem until the disk is too badly fragged. (And we fix it by copying
the file to a hard drive and emptying trash on the Zip.) They seem to
handle four channel playback with Deck or Session OK.  Of course you are
limited to about 9 minutes of stereo sound, but they have pretty much
replaced the old revoxes for routine recording. (And I'm perfectly happy
with student projects that stay under 9 minutes.) I've just ordered a bunch
of the faster zip+  and I'll let you know in a couple of months how they
work out.
They are also loverly for samplers and moving large programs (like all
those Max updates) around.

Peter Elsea
Electronic Music Studios
University of California, Santa Cruz


Date:    Wed, 4 Feb 1998 11:47:57 -0800
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: adbio object update

I've fixed a bug in the adbio object that caused improper output
to the digital ports. You can download the new version at For more information on the ADBIO,
check out the Beehive Technologies web site at
That's six "Z"s.

David Z.


Date:    Thu, 5 Feb 1998 18:12:52 +0100
From:    David Rodger 
Subject: Re: Syjet experiences and Zip torture

Mike Metlay wrote:
>I'll be interested to see how good a job the Zip does with digital
>audio.... Roland has made a very big commitment to the Zip as a medium,
>including shipping a composer-workstation keyboard with a Zip rather than a
>floppy drive, as well as two new products that do digital audio I/O
>directly from a Zip. I'll be torture-testing both of them soon, I hope.

It seems to effortlessly record and play back 2 channels of 44.1kHz audio
through standard SCSI.  (Not simultaneously, I think, but I didn't need to
do this.)  I was using Sound Designer at the time to assemble a CD for
theatre playback.  I haven't torture tested it, except to the extent that
the same disk was used over and over again in this manner, as each track
was edited.  It did save my rear end because the hard drive provided had

Regards, David

David Rodger ----------- Audio Engineer, Pool Lifeguard, RLSS Trainer
Personal:    (not yet exciting)
Research:  (a bit more exciting)
  Save La Trobe Music Department from destruction by slags in suits:


Date:    Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:33:59 -0400
Subject: June Workshops in Computer Music at Oberlin College

If you are a MIDI enthusiast or you use computers to make your
music, you may want to have a look at

to see what Oberlin's Technology in Music and Related Arts
(TIMARA) Department is offering in its summer workshop.

We have been doing these workshops for over a decade and we
specialize in teaching hoppyists and musicians who are not traditional
trained.  Many of our students are visual artists or dancers as well
and musicians.  They range in age from 15 to 75!

Our web page has email addresses for more information but you can
email me at the address below if you have questions.

Gary Lee Nelson
TIMARA Department
Conservatory of Music
Oberlin, OH 44074
phone: 440-775-8223
fax: 440-775-8942



Date:    Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:44:13 -0500
From:    Jem Finer 
Subject: recording cd's

Toast 3.5 PPC does everything everyone seems to be wondering about, copies
from cd rom player (audio or data), makes the tea, everything . . . . . I

Jem Finer

Kentish Town
London NW5


Date:    Wed, 4 Feb 1998 13:52:46 -0700
From:    Kevin Walker 
Subject: short delay lines in msp?

It seems that the minimum delay for the tapin~/tapout~ objects is twice the
Signal Vector Size.  (Can anyone confirm this?)  What's the best way to get
a shorter delay?  Do I need to write my own external?  Has anyone already
written such an external?  Has anyone implemented the Karplus-Strong
plucked string algorithm in msp?


Kevin Walker


End of MAX Digest - 3 Feb 1998 to 4 Feb 1998