Subject: MAX Digest - 1 Feb 1998 to 2 Feb 1998
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There are 12 messages totalling 358 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. 1x CDROM drives
  2. MAX Digest - 31 Jan 1998 to 1 Feb 1998 (2)
  3. route (2)
  4. Macintosh 1X external cd rom drives...
  5. Aiff Player
  6. ctlout question
  7. School question
  8. JAZ Anomolies
  9. so-called 'jaz' disk.
 10. Jaz, CD

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Date:    Mon, 2 Feb 1998 00:19:08 -0500
From:    Tommy DOG 
Subject: 1x CDROM drives

>Date:    Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:45:16 -0500
>From:    Adrienne Lee Harvey 
>Subject: Macintosh 1X external cd rom drives...
>
>does anyone know where I might be able to find these?  I am working on a
>project that would require about 4 of them.
>
>-Adrienne
>harvey@tophat.stetson.edu
>

Try http://www.shrevesystems.com
These folks are a great source for Mac parts...
You can even fix up that old Apple II/e with their help.
TD
"Death To The Dumb, Curses Upon The Heads Of The Weird"
                     Tommy DOG
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/3976/uni.html

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Date:    Mon, 2 Feb 1998 01:40:00 -0500
From:    Christopher Murtagh 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 31 Jan 1998 to 1 Feb 1998

>
> Date:    Sun, 1 Feb 1998 00:09:06 -0500
> From:    "M. Abidh Waugh" 
> Subject: so-called 'jaz' disk.
>
> I am hoping that some people on this list migh comment as to if they
> experience the same type of anomolies that I do when using the so called
> jaz drive with soundfile playback/record.



> Any comments about 'jaz' vs. other drives?

 I had and still am having some pretty horrible expreience with my SyQuest
SyJet drive. I have just returned it (for a new replacement) for the
second time. The SyJet has been the most unreliable piece of equipment I
have ever used, my 1541 diskdrive for my C64 was more reliable! We have
had a number of SyJets in the music building here and all but 1 have been
VERY unreliable. Everything from disk errors that crash the machines, to
glitches in Audio files and missing or corrupted beyond repair files. I
wouldn't recommend a SyJet to my worst enemy. I have tried using it on a
wide variety of machines from my IIfx, 7200s, 8500s and our new G3s - all
of them don't like the SyJet (or at least not any of mine). Anyone else
have similar experiences? I feel like sending some nasty mail/pipe bomb to
SyQuest if I get another lemon when I get the 3rd one back :).

 The funny thing is my EZdrive (135) has been the most fantastic drive I
have ever had, I don't understand how SyQuest has put out such a piece of
crap. Anyway, enough of my rant... Just a few piles of my 2 pennies
worth.

Sincerely,

Christopher Murtagh
B.Mus Computer Applications
McGill University
Faculty of Music

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Date:    Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:02:33 +0100
From:    Jeffrey Burns 
Subject: route

>>Has anyone out there written a _route_ object that will accept 88 or mor=
>e
>>arguments??
>
>>Jeff Burns
>
>I could do it, but are you aware that you can string together
>multiple route objects for however many choices you want? Make
>one with up to 10 arguments, and use the 11th outlet to go into
>the first inlet of another route.  This way, you can also mix
>symbols, floats, and ints.
>
>Stephen Kay

Thanks for your intetest. As evident from the patch I sent you a week ago,
I have already tried stringing together 9 route objects. I believe,
however, that this method unnecessarily slows things down. I am interested
in sending lists of 6 ints to 88 destinations.

Jeff Burns

http://www.snafu.de/~jeff

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Date:    Mon, 2 Feb 1998 00:56:31 +0000
From:    Ben Nevile 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 31 Jan 1998 to 1 Feb 1998

> Anyone have SyJet war stories? Are these drives
> any better?

I have experience with both drives, and I think the SyJet is a LOT
better.  You might want to ciheck out one of the new SyQuest drives.
I think they're pretty hot.

bbn

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Date:    Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:10:58 +0100
From:    Peter Castine 
Subject: Re: Macintosh 1X external cd rom drives...

Adrienne Lee Harvey  asked:
>does anyone know where I might be able to find these?  I am working on a
>project that would require about 4 of them.

If you're located near any large city, have you tried your local Second
Hand advertising newspaper? I'm in a similar situation, and there is
usually one old SCSI CD-ROM Drive (some single, some double speed) to be
had in every issue (3x weekly in Berlin). People are usually asking about
DEM 50 over here. The only trick is to get people to part with the things
separately, they're usually trying to sell something like a
IIci/monitor/CD-ROM bundle.

Hope this helps,

PEter

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pcastine@prz.tu-berlin.de        | The middle-aged suspect everything;
                                 | The young know everything.
                                 |                        -- Oscar Wilde

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Date:    Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:43:47 +1100
From:    Garth Paine 
Subject: Aiff Player

Is there a FAT version of AIFF Player yet?

Garth

Sonic Residues: Sunday December 21, 1997
Concert programme and installation list at
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Date:    Mon, 2 Feb 1998 06:14:06 -0500
From:    Tom Ritchford 
Subject: Re: ctlout question

Stephen Kay  wrote:
>>I want to be able to pan a channel, and hear the pan WITHOUT having to
>>retrigger the note. (I can do this fine with volume.)
>
>>Can anyone shed some light on this one? (Could this be a limitation of
>>my tone module, Yamaha TG300?)
>
>Many synths operate this way - it's not necessarily a limitation.  For
>example, KORG synths will not pan a sustaining note.

[snip]

>Roland Sound Canvas, on the other hand, operates the way you want -
>the sound pans even without retriggering the note.

The Kurzweil also has the same behavior as the Korg synths do.
When I complained on the K2000 list, someone claimed that this
was what the MIDI spec required for pan!

        /t

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Date:    Mon, 2 Feb 1998 05:53:27 -0700
From:    Christopher Dobrian 
Subject: Re: route

Jeffrey Burns  wrote:

>Has anyone out there written a _route_ object that will accept 88 or more
>arguments??

Link those babies. Make a route object with up to 10 arguments, then
connect its rightmost outlet to another route object with up to 10
arguments, then connect its rightmost outlet to another ...

--Chris

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             University of California / Irvine, CA 92697-2775
                Phone: (714) 824-7288 / Fax: (714) 824-4914
                      http://www.arts.uci.edu/dobrian/

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Date:    Mon, 2 Feb 1998 09:24:25 EST
From:    Bob Gluck 
Subject: School question

A non-tech question: which college/university MFA/PhD programs in Electronic
Music would any of you recommend most (esp. those that draw upon Max)?

Bob Gluck
Sheffield, MA
http://members.aol.com/Rjgluck

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Date:    Mon, 2 Feb 1998 14:35:18 -0500
From:    Johnny DeKam 
Subject: Re: JAZ Anomolies

Iomega has confirmed that Disk utility programs (Norton included) corrupt
JAZ disks.
(The info is buried on their site but its there)

According to Iomega, the only safe way to defragment a JAZ disk is to erase
it.
There now exists Norton 3.5, which addresses OS8 incompatibility, but I am
not aware of them addressing the JAZ problem. Bottom line: don't edit on a
JAZ, using it as a backup or playback medium... periodically erase it using
the "erase disk" command or using the JAZ tools utility.
(GEEZ you'd think Iomega might have the courtesy to write a defrag utility
for their so called "JAZ tools"!)

To further complicate things Mac just came out with the HFS+ file system...
which doesn't waste disk space like HFS (4k allocation blocks on any size
Partition).  I am very curious how this might work into the audio playback
equation, since as you pointed out, nonlinear editing often makes lots of
small chunks of data.  The word is so far on HFS+ is that Norton and
utilities will destroy an HFS+ partition.  Eventually that will be fixed
I'm sure, but it might be too early to take the plunge.... but if I can get
better performance with digital audio - who knows!

Another anomoly I've experienced with JAZ and audio is weird.
If I record using built in sound on a PPC, and play back those files
directly off the JAZ
on a nubus Protools system, the sounds playback slow as if the sampling
rate had changed.
Anyone seen this?  I just got the new free version of Protools Software for
PPC, so maybe that changes things.

Johnny DeKam

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Date:    Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:48:24 -0500
From:    David Crandall 
Subject: Re: so-called 'jaz' disk.

On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Christopher Murtagh wrote:

>  The funny thing is my EZdrive (135) has been the most fantastic drive I
> have ever had, I don't understand how SyQuest has put out such a piece of

On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Ben Nevile wrote:

> I have experience with both drives, and I think the SyJet is a LOT
> better.  You might want to ciheck out one of the new SyQuest drives.

How'bout the EZ Flyer?  And any info on what's up w/SyJet's manufacturing
process/revisions to explain people's widely varying experiences?  I
apologize for taking up bandwidth on something that's only marginally
on-topic, but I have to make a quick decision in replacing this defunct
Jaz, and here we are talking about it... tried looking on the web for
reliability comparisons and found nothing illuminating...

David Crandall

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"America's achievement: history's best-dressed peasant class."
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dcrand1@gl.umbc.edu

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Date:    Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:52:23 -0800
From:    Peter Elsea 
Subject: Jaz, CD

The experiences here at UCSC with Jaz drives and carts have been pretty
disappointing.
Jaz drives seem to have a better than 50% failure rate.
Carts seem to have about 80% failure rate when used for audio or video. ( I
suspect it's 100%, but some just haven't died yet.)
The problem seems to be that Jaz carts can't stand overheating. They are
fine for mass backup in an external drive, but if you put them in an
internal drive, and do the kind of continual writing audio and video
demand, they will eventually fail. (We also have a long list of students
who lost carts by leaving them in cars in the summer.)
Since it's a matter of glue coming unstuck, sometimes when a cart goes, it
takes the drive with it. And sometimes a damaged drive will kill carts.
Iomega knows about this, and is making improvements, so the performance is
slowly geting better.
But until I'm convinced, my instructions to students are: Record on  a hard
drive, then back up to Jaz.

I haven't used a computer based CD burner yet, but I'm about to start, and
have just done some research.
Masterlist CD (expensive) will make real red book CDs (that is, they will
play everywhere), but is very fussy about which burner you use. Digidesign
has a list on their web site.
Toast (Cheap, even free) makes a CD that plays on all but the oldest audio
CD players.
Other Mac software that claims to make audio CDs usually doesn't. (PC
software, on the other hand, apparently works well.) Of course there's a
difference between making a casual CD to send to your parents and a
certified error free master for duplication.

The reason I haven't gotten into this before is I believe in standalones.
(They're so much easier to explain, plus if the machine supports session
mode, the students can build up a CD over the term rather than having to
use a new disk for each assignment. (Of course, now that discs are about a
dollar, it doesn't matter so much.) Check out the Phillips 870, which will
sell for about $600.

Peter Elsea
Electronic Music Studios
University of California, Santa Cruz
http://arts.ucsc.edu/EMS/Music/index.html
 elsea@cats.ucsc.edu

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