Subject: MAX Digest - 9 Jan 1998 to 16 Jan 1998 - Special issue
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:41:53 -0500
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There are 19 messages totalling 516 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. MAX Digest - 7 Jan 1998 to 8 Jan 1998 (3)
  2. eXstatic- an invitation to composers & electroacousticians
  3. sysex librarian available
  4. test-ignore
  5. msp||ichi.objektz
  6. midi sensors etc. [resend]
  7. What's the deal with Deal and Scramble?
  8. Check
  9. MAX list dead?
 10. Where has the MAX Digest been?
 11. Haven't received anything since MAX Digest - 7 Jan 1998 to 8 Jan 1998
 12. Digests?
 13. error?
 14. Input
 15. problems with 'key'
 16. The list was "frozen"
 17. screen questions


Date:    Thu, 15 Jan 1998 12:31:15 +0000
From:    RobAcid 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 7 Jan 1998 to 8 Jan 1998


 Is there no MAX.list anymore ????????

 Robert Babicz / Glissando ( Experimental Radio Show )


Date:    Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:40:42 +1000
From:    Next Wave Festival 
Subject: eXstatic- an invitation to composers & electroacousticians

Extending successful versions of this project in Melbourne in 1996 and Perth
1997,  the 1998 Next Wave Festival is proud to announce the return of:

         ---   ---   ---   eXstatic   ---   ---   ---

An invitation to composers, sound artists, electroacousticians...

This is a world-wide call for entries for works from artists working in the
field of
electroacoustic music. Previously unpublished works are required for an
new mode of acousmatic presentation.

Computer music composers and sound-artists are invited to submit pieces or
'modules' of music  to form part of a unique collection of music that
represents the
cutting edge of contemporary sonic art. Your sound-works will be collided in
space to immerse the audience in a virtual sonic vortex. You are no longer
you're ex static...

This project constitutes a search for the most innovative experimental
sounds being
made today, beyond sounds that might be called "figurative" to find the
non-figurative and abstract, through the transformation of the perceived
of sound.

eXstatic extends the radiophonic practice of the cross-fade through the
simultaneous layering of different pieces using a computer-controlled
sound-spatialisation system, which can play up to four different stereo
simultaneously, channelled into eight independent speakers.  By dynamically
spatialising the sound, one can optimise the listening space, exploiting the
ability to locate sounds within the physical space.  Each sound source is
able to
have its own trajectory in the space, independent of the other sources. It
the traditional idea of sound diffusion in acousmatic listening, by allowing
more than
one piece to be played, but maintaining the original stereophonic image of
individual piece.

By juxtaposing often contradictory, dissimilar sonic worlds upon and each
other, the
possibility of metaphor is created, in much the same way as montage may
metaphorical relationships to be perceived between images in cinema.
explores this mode of performerless loudspeaker music - by celebrating the
advances in musical craft; spatialising and combining these new sounds to
an enhanced acousmatic experience.

Because of the method of presentation, any piece you submit will be mixed
other music, and possibly only an excerpt of your piece might be played: in
words, your music will be recontextualised, and you must be comfortable with
type of treatment.  eXstatic  will consist of two separate performances at a
venue, The Public Office, in Melbourne, Australia on May 16th and 22nd,


*  Up to three pieces can be submitted, but no more than 12 minutes of music

*  Material is to be submitted on DAT at 44.1kHz sampling rate, audio CD, or
as a
stereo AIFF file, 44.1kHz on CD ROM. Your submission must be at the
of the tape, and there must be no other music on it.

*  Please label tapes or CDs with the word "eXstatic" and your name.

*  Submissions should also provide these details, on an A4 sheet of paper:

1. Your name, age and contact details, including postal address, telephone
number, and email address.

2. Titles of each item in the order they have been put down, with their
corresponding durations in minutes and seconds.

3. Your official or unofficial "title", for instance "Brian of Nazareth,
Wanderer, Victim of Mistaken Identity", or "Betty Boo, Record Producer, Very
Hip Label"  etc. This short description will be used as a biographical note
for the
program/catalogue, and will be projected onto a screen while your piece is
played, as a type of credit. It should reflect who you are and what you
would like
people to know about you.


Submissions must be postmarked no later than Monday 16th February 1998,
labelled with the word eXstatic, and sent to:

Terry McDermott,
Next Wave Festival,
31 Victoria Street,
Fitzroy, Victoria, 3065

Successful applicants will be notified by Friday 13th March 1998. There will
be some
form of renumeration to successful applicants, possibly in the form of a
complementary CD
recording of the event.


If you live in Australia, please include postage stamps to cover the cost of
postage. If you live outside Australia, send three international reply-paid

Enquiries should be directed to Terry McDermott or Lawrence Harvey at Next
Wave Festival on:

Ph:      +613 9417 7544
Fax:     +613 9417 7481
email: (subject: exstatic)

Looking forward to listening to your stuff.
Terry McDermott, curator.

Next Wave Festival
31 Victoria Street
Fitzroy VIC 3065
Art for dreamers in a world of nightmares
Ph: 61 3 9417 7544
Fax: 61 3 9417 7481
Festival Director: Wendy Lasica. General Manager: Michelle Armstrong.
Festival Co-ordinators: Samantha Comte, Lawrence Harvey, Kerry Watson.
International Projects: Kate Daw. Special Events: berni m janssen.


Date:    Wed, 14 Jan 1998 18:21:53 -0800
From:    jhno 
Subject: sysex librarian available

inspired by the recent (short) thread on making a sysex librarian in max...
i made one. something i always wanted to have around...

incidentally, i started out using table, then LArray... until i realized
that the filein fileout pair were rather ideally suited to the task. any
comments or improvements on this implementation would be most welcome.

i uploaded three different formats -

as a max patch:

as a collective:

as an application:

the collective is there in case you are missing an object... the app is
there for folks with macs without max. i figure it might be generally
useful... so tell me if you find a bug

audio apps coming soon...!


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delicate ear                                       
san francisco, ca                      

"For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes
turned skyward; for there you have been and there you long to return."
                                                          Leonardo da Vinci


Date:    Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:54:29 -0700
From:    Alex Stahl 
Subject: test-ignore

spam-filter test -- please ignore
I'd apologize for the "band width" but we were only a trio...


Date:    Wed, 14 Jan 1998 22:20:03 +0100
From:    Tom Mays 
Subject: Re: msp||ichi.objektz

=cw4t7abs writes:

>>msp seems 2take over the snd manager input 1ns max = aktivatd.
>>!z d!sz intentional || special feature ov demo || odr_?
>>ichi.s aiff kan no longr rekord if msp present.

And the answer is:

Ye de ne iche ie ye he eM eS Pe!

(This message was written in the little known but highly acclaimed language
"Ge". It's spoken fluently on both hemispheres by less than 10 people. There
exists NO on-line documentation of this language, but there is one written
document, a postcard dubbed "The GeZetta stone".)

Zoron and Xoaz


Date:    Tue, 13 Jan 1998 12:54:46 +0000
From:    daniel j crooks 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 7 Jan 1998 to 8 Jan 1998

quick stupid question. How does one log off the list ?



Date:    Wed, 14 Jan 1998 16:40:39 -0700
From:    Kevin Walker 
Subject: midi sensors etc. [resend]

I've been using Max for quite a while now, but I've never delved into the
world of X-to-MIDI converters.  I suspect there are people on this list who
could point me to (or simply provide) information on this topic.  More

* Are there web pages which review or recommend various sensor/controller
options?  (I've already found a list of manufacturers at Tommy DOG's Max
page (thank you Mr. DOG).)

* Does anyone have recommendations for sensors of the simple/cheap variety?

* Does anyone have experience with Paia's "midi brain" ( )?

* Is the ADB_IO thing ( ) a good alternative
for getting real world analog data into Max?  Or does it have too much


Kevin Walker


Date:    Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:22:02 +0100
From:    Georg Hajdu 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 7 Jan 1998 to 8 Jan 1998

Hello Listmaster,

I haven't been receiving my MAX digest since January 9.
I wonder what happened.



                                             Georg Hajdu

Hochschule fuer Musik Detmold,
Abteilung Muenster
Ludgeriplatz 1
D-48151 Muenster



Date:    Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:06:41 -0500
From:    Tommy DOG 
Subject: What's the deal with Deal and Scramble?

I can't remember where the Deal or Scramble objects came from but I want to
install them in my PPC. I can't seem to locate FAT versions of Scramble and
Deal.  I did find what I thought was a FAT version of Scramble but it was
called "scramble" (note the lower case S).  My PPC didn't consider this to
be the right one for the patcher I had been working with on my Quadra last
Will the author(s) please help me out by either sending me the correct
versions or a URL to retrieve them myself.
"Death To The Dumb, Curses Upon The Heads Of The Weird"
                     Tommy DOG


Date:    Wed, 14 Jan 1998 08:49:26 +0100
From:    "Philippe Montémont" 
Subject: Check

This short message is just to check out if everything is ok with the Max
list. I have not received any 'Max Digest' since Jan, 9th.

Philippe Montemont


Date:    Wed, 14 Jan 1998 07:54:26 +0100
From:    "Dr. Karlheinz Essl" 
Subject: MAX list dead?

Since several days I don't receive any MAX digests. Is something broken
with the mailing list or have I been removed from the list?


   Dr. Karlheinz Essl - Composer
   Vienna / Austria


Date:    Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:06:33 -0500
From:    Tommy DOG 
Subject: Where has the MAX Digest been?

I've been getting E-mail all week aking what's going on. Is this problem
now settled?
"Death To The Dumb, Curses Upon The Heads Of The Weird"
                     Tommy DOG


Date:    Tue, 13 Jan 1998 23:41:14 -0600
From:    Chris De Chiara 
Subject: Haven't received anything since MAX Digest - 7 Jan 1998 to 8 Jan

I haven't received anything since Digest - 7 Jan 1998 to 8 Jan 1998.
Is the list down ? Or did I get dropped ?

Chris De Chiara


Date:    Mon, 12 Jan 1998 15:45:12 -0400
Subject: Digests?

I have been getting any for the past four days.  Is someone
on vacation or do I have a problem on my end?  Email me
directly if you know what is wrong. (Wouldn't help to post
a message to the Max list since I am not seeing it.)

Gary Lee Nelson
TIMARA Department
Conservatory of Music
Oberlin, OH 44074
phone: 440-775-8223
fax: 440-775-8942


Date:    Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:39:15 +0100
From:    Isabelle Jenniches 
Subject: error?

sorry to post this to the list, but my messages to the listserv kept
bouncing --unfortunately I don't receive any digests any more,  altough I
did not and either do I want to sign off. Have I accidentally been dumped?
Could you please check that and get me back on the list
thanks isa



Date:    Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:00:33 EST
From:    KetQuest 
Subject: Re: Input

Hi, I've been scanning the last 5/6 digests, some interesting issues raised.
Shame about the music department.
        I have been working on ambient music, new age/future/psyche vibe,
you want to call it, weird stuff as far as i'm concerened. Trouble is, now
that i've got 6 solid tracks on cassette and CD, I now want to remix them.
first track is stored on a MAC as aiff, which is being 'refined' with Cubase
VST. Do I track down a record company, New World springs to my mind, now and
sell it to them. Or should I do the sensible thing and re-mix/re-sequence
re-record the whole project with the outboards, go full hog and then dazzle
them with an audio quality, much higher than my humble patch?
        I read somewhere that it may be possible to read W-30 (Roland)
samples on
PC/Mac based setup, is this true? Can I download it?
        Has there ever been any interactive software developed for use with
Roland Alpha Juno 2?
        Could somebody send me info relating to MAX itself. I'm currently
I help out at a local studio and record when i can. Although i'd like to
sound engineering(still not sure if it's the right subject), I'm just going
carry on working on the tracks i've got.

Ketan Kunj Majmudar(Artist)


Date:    Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:00:42 -0500
From:    Stephen Kay 
Subject: problems with 'key'

Hello Maxers,

I wanted to use the keyboard of the computer to play some notes
and trigger some effects - but the response of the key object
seems very erratic, especially when pressing more than one at =

a time.  For example, simply hookup a key to a print, and press
the first 4 number keys (1, 2, 3, 4) at the same time.  As
expected, you get (49, 50, 51, 52).  However, now press number
keys (2, 3, 4, 5) at the same time. At least on my computer, you
do not get all 4 values - sometimes you get 2, sometimes you
get none(!), sometimes you get a few when you _release_ the keys.

Can any one else duplicate this problem?  Is it a bug David?
Any workarounds or other ideas?

Stephen Kay
----------------------- The MegaMAX Collection -----------------------
  Over 30 Max objects for the creation of more professional looking, =

         feeling, and functioning patchers and applications.
                          Demos available at:


Date:    Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:09:58 -0500
From:    Stephen Kay 
Subject: The list was "frozen"

Nice to see the list back.  For those of you who wondered, parts
of Canada and Northeast USA (including McGill at Montreal) were
the victims of an immense ice storm, and were without electricity
for over a week. Nice forced break from computing!

Stephen Kay

----------------------- The MegaMAX Collection -----------------------
  Over 30 Max objects for the creation of more professional looking, =

         feeling, and functioning patchers and applications.
                          Demos available at:


Date:    Fri, 16 Jan 1998 19:45:32 -0500
From:    Ed Hartley 
Subject: screen questions

    I seemed to have been disconected from the Max Listserve for a few days
(maybe it had to do with the weather they've had in Montreal recently) so
I'll post this again:

    I've read that one can force the mouse pointer to jump to a new location
on the screen by sending the message "pupdate X,Y" to the Max application
itself. Is this true? How does one send a meesage to Max? Can you use the
"send" object?
    Also, is it possible to eliminate both the current pacther's title bar
and the menus at the top of the screen? I'm writing a patch where I'd like
use up the whole screen, so that the user can't accidently click on anything
outside of the patcher window. Thanks in advance for any help.

Ed Hartley.


End of MAX Digest - 9 Jan 1998 to 16 Jan 1998 - Special issue