Subject: MAX Digest - 30 Dec 1997 to 31 Dec 1997
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There are 9 messages totalling 257 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Capture and saveing
  2. OS8/PACE
  3. New Object List & MSP
  4. timeline
  5. of presets, tables and inlets...
  6. msp praise; timing; groove~ request
  7. MAX Digest - 29 Dec 1997 to 30 Dec 1997
  8. bulk dumps
  9. powerbook 3400/copy protection, msp cd hasher

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Date:    Tue, 30 Dec 1997 22:59:43 -0800
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: Re: Capture and saveing

Peter Mcilwain  writes:

>I have been trying bulk sysex dumps from my sound module into Max. At
>present the appropriate object to use for this purpose seems to be
>"capture".

I would use table. Pre-allocate the amount of memory you need
with the Get Info... command first, then write a patch to
increment the table address with successive incoming bytes.

David Z.

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Date:    Tue, 30 Dec 1997 23:06:22 -0800
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: OS8/PACE

Patrick T. Rost  writes:

> i would like to know if the OS8/PACE copy protection issues have been
solved
> with the advent of max 3.5.8...i am considering chucking all the old
> machines and getting a new powerbook 3400, or 2400, but i am worried
> about the discussion i remember about trying to get the copy protection
> to work...what's up these days?

New 3.5 packages and upgrades should come with a master disk that uses
OS8-compatible protection. This change was made a while back.

Opcode will apparently send OS8 compatible disks to 3.5 owners
who need them, at least in the US. But I'm not certain about that.

There will be two versions of the 3.5.9 upgrade, one for 3.5
owners with the old protection and one for owners with the new
protection. I'm sorry about the delay with 3.5.9. The usual
ball-dropping on the part of Opcode has occurred.

David Z.

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Date:    Wed, 31 Dec 1997 00:21:17 -0800
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: Re: New Object List & MSP

Philippe Montemont  writes:

>Importing the Max Object List document in ClarisWorks, I have been
>adding the MSP objects into it. I made a category named... MSP. I did
>the same with the Megamax externals too. Then I saved it as Max Object
>List again.
>Everything seem to work fine -the new objects appear in order in the
>right collumn- except the fact that the new categories (MSP,
>Megamax,...) do NOT appear in the left collumn as I expected.
>Does anyone in the list know where I made a mistake?

To add categories to the Max Object List, do the following. Due
to the way the internal Max objects work, you need to add the
category to the end of the list. In other words, in must be
alphabetically after "Timeline."

1. ResEdit the STR# resource 7000 in Max. Append the category
name to the end of the string.
2. Add a new STR# resource. Number it 7017 (or one higher, when
adding an additional category). Put one of the objects you'll
be adding via the Max Object List in the string.
3. Save Max and quit ResEdit.
4. Now you can add items in the new category to the Max Object
List file. For example, if the category name is ZMSP, you can
put

ZMSP    cycle~

into the Max Object List. Note that a single tab character must
occur between the category name and the object name.

If you just want to add objects to categories that already
exist, you don't need to do any ResEditing of Max. Just add them to
the Max Object List.

David Z.

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Date:    Wed, 31 Dec 1997 00:25:50 -0800
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: Re: timeline

Alex Burton  writes:

>     - the track colors in an edetonate don't match the colors in the
>timeline's "preview". Not dramatic, but if that could be fixed, it would
make
>color-coding more usefull.

A new edetonate that has the right colors will be included in the 3.5.9
update. If you're impatient and want it now, visit the Cycling '74
support page at http://www.cycling74.com/support and download my
"latest Max externals" archive.

David Z.

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Date:    Wed, 31 Dec 1997 00:30:37 -0800
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: Re: of presets, tables and inlets...

Alex Burton  writes:

> i've built a patcher around a table. I'm trying to store configurations of
>the table with each instance of the patcher (without external files) (table
>name is #1_internal, so each named instance gets it's own table; "don't
save"
>bit is set). In the mother patch, i tried connecting a preset to an inlet
of
>the patcher in turn connected to the table. This works fine, but once the
>mother patch is closed and reopened, the preset has no more effect on the
>table (and the same preset works on a test table directly connected)...

The preset object saves its data specific for a patcher. You'll
have to put each table in the patcher containing the preset object
in order to save the table's contents in the way you describe.

David Z.

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Date:    Wed, 31 Dec 1997 00:39:50 -0800
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: Re: msp praise; timing; groove~ request

jhno  writes:

>i have noticed that max's timing can get a little shakey with msp... for
>example when you turn on the note generators in some of the "synth~" msp
>examples, the note events are not always evenly spaced... the timing will
>stutter or waver even though the dac~ reports a cpu usage of less than 50%.

The takeover feature of 3.5.9 will address this problem, at least
with the Sound Manager. You can check it out now by trying patches
with MaxMSPPlay3.5.9 included with the MSP download.

>finally, the groove~ object is really great, but it does not loop when it
>is playing backward. could this be fixed? otherwise if you are playing with
>the rate parameter and you go negative it will play through and stop.

There have been numerous requests for this feature. Doing it
right is difficult for my feeble brain, and I wanted to put
out a groove~ that worked correctly looping in the forward
direction before tackling the backward issues. But I will
figure it out eventually, I just know it.

David Z.

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Date:    Wed, 31 Dec 1997 10:04:59 -0600
From:    Monika Herzig 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 29 Dec 1997 to 30 Dec 1997

Peter

I have tried the very same thing (saving sys-ex data from my MIDI
modules). First I was ambitious enough to try building a Librarian but
the information given in the manual is so slim that I was not successful.
I resorted to trying to simply receive the whole bulk from my MIDI device
and then saving it and as you correctly stated there seems to be now way
to do this.

I am sure there is a way to do this and experienced Maxers surely know
it.

>
>Hello Max people,
>
>I have been trying bulk sysex dumps from my sound module into Max. At
>present the appropriate object to use for this purpose seems to be
>"capture". The only problem is that (with the version of capture that I
>have) there seems to be no read or write functions which defeats the
>purpose of the excercise.
>
>I have tried using coll which is to slow at storing the large sysex data
>and also runs out of memory. So I was wondering if anyone has tried to do
>bulk dumps and if there is an object which would serve my purpose.
>
>Peter McIlwain
>PATU
>University of Adelaide
>

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Date:    Wed, 31 Dec 1997 12:13:44 -0500
From:    Ed Hartley 
Subject: bulk dumps

> Peter Mcilwain wrote:
> I have been trying bulk sysex dumps from my sound module into Max. At
> present the appropriate object to use for this purpose seems to be
> "capture". The only problem is that (with the version of capture that I
> have) there seems to be no read or write functions which defeats the
> purpose of the excercise.
>
> I have tried using coll which is to slow at storing the large sysex data
> and also runs out of memory. So I was wondering if anyone has tried to do
> bulk dumps and if there is an object which would serve my purpose.
>

I've always found seq to be very capable for SX.

Ed Hartley

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Date:    Wed, 31 Dec 1997 13:13:37 -0600
From:    jhno 
Subject: powerbook 3400/copy protection, msp cd hasher

>i would like to know if the OS8/PACE copy protection issues have been
solved
> with
>the advent of max 3.5.8...i am considering chucking all the old machines
and
> getting a new
>powerbook 3400, or 2400, but i am worried about the discussion i remember
>about
>trying to get the copy protection to work...what's up these days?

i am using max/msp on a powerbook 3400/240 with no problems. my 3400 came
with system 7.6 installed, and i have not upgraded to OS 8.

in two days i wrote an msp program that samples random passages from the
cd-rom drive and plays them back at different speeds, backwards, filtered,
etc. instant avante garde algorithmic composition from any cd...! funfunfun

i will make this available as a stand-alone app when it is a little more
polished.

-jhno

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