Subject: MAX Digest - 22 Dec 1997 to 23 Dec 1997
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 00:00:47 -0500
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There are 6 messages totalling 142 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. msp||ichi.objektz
  2. perspective
  3. Handling MSP
  4. MSP Pitch Following
  5. Perspective
  6. mouss down || up


Date:    Tue, 23 Dec 1997 04:36:25 -0600
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: msp||ichi.objektz

msp seems 2take over the snd manager input 1ns max = aktivatd.
!z d!sz intentional || special feature ov demo || odr_?
ichi.s aiff kan no longr rekord if msp present.


Date:    Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:38:09 -0000
From:    Nick Rothwell 
Subject: Re: perspective

This is obviously a follow-up to something I've missed...

> Parallel processing? Object Oriented? Well, Max has objects (so does my
> living room) but the claim that Max was OOP was never made in my
> hearing.

The claim has been made in the press release for my album, but hey,
that's just for journos, and if I get as far as being interviewed
about it, I can resort to plausible deniability.

> When you get into writing externals, you will find encapsulation, public
> and private methods, and polymorphism if you want it,

On the other hand, those of us using obsolete machines (like the
68040-based PowerBook I bought this year) without CD-ROM's have to
stick with good old THINK C which has none of these things. To be
honest, though, I'm really quite happy with an environment that I've
been using for so many years and which I know well. Maybe one day I'll
jump to PPC and MetroWerks, but I really see no point in doing so at

> (For non- programmers, Object Oriented Programming is a system that allows
> someone to write a chunk of program code, called a class, and someone else
> to write another class that includes the features of the first class
> without knowing how it works. Furthermore, if the first chap changes
> something, that change will propagate down into all later versions. OOP is
> most useful for huge programs that are written by teams.)

True but deeply misleading. Abstraction, encapsulation and separate
compilation have been around for decades in a variety of languages
supporting a variety of programming paradigms. It was only with OOP
that this became known to the masses, mainly because the hosting of
C++ in C made the technology easy to adopt and accept.

OOP is most useful for certain classes of application only. If it
fits, it fits, and if it doesn't, it doesn't. In either case, the
presence or absence of a team is irrelevant. (If you have one, what
you need is good source control tools.)

> Poor in its use of graphics? Well, most of us have come through the icon
> madness of the early 90s with a renewed sense of respect for printed
> labels.


> Of course it's all transitory. Five years from now, we'll all be using PD
> or common music and talking about how quaint (but fun) Max used to
> be.

That's probably about when I'll buy a PPC Macintosh and upgrade to
MAX 3.5.

         Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL        contemporary dance projects        music synthesis and control

        "...but you? You've got a monkey on your back: dedication."


Date:    Tue, 23 Dec 1997 15:27:45 +0100
From:    dudas 
Subject: Handling MSP

Monsieur Tommy DOG writes:

>I think that a discussion on
>whether or not to add a MSP section to those ftp sites to go along with the
>FAT/PPC and 68k folders is relevant to this group.

No discussion necessary.  On my Macintosh-based master-backup of the Max
FTP site at Ircam, I already have empty PPC and MSP folders
ready-and-waiting in the event that someone sends us something that needs
to be classified in either of these categories.  The PPC folder has
remained empty for about a year now, so I never bothered to put it on the
FTP - an empty FTP directory would just be a cruel tease.  However, I have
the feeling the same will NOT be true of the MSP folder... maybe we should
have a contest to see who can send in the first cool* MSP external for the
Ircam public FTP site??? (Sorry, David Z., neither employees of Cycling '74
nor their immediate family members will be considered eligible.)

-Richard (a.k.a Xoaz)

* The word "cool" in this context may be rather freely interpreted, but
Zoron and Xoaz reserve the right to make the final decision as to whether
or not the said msp external can indeed be considered "cool".


Date:    Tue, 23 Dec 1997 09:47:47 -0500
From:    Marc Ainger 
Subject: MSP Pitch Following

Well, I have MSP up and running.  My question is :  Is it possible to do
pitch following yet?  I havent been able to figure it out yet -- am I
missing something obvious, or is this still "in development"?

Marc Ainger


Date:    Tue, 23 Dec 1997 15:07:19 -0500
From:    Roland Hemming <100414.2220@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: Perspective

Peter Elsea wrote:

>Of course it's all transitory. Five years from now, we'll all be using PD
>or common music and talking about how quaint (but fun) Max used to be.

After 5 years or so of MAXing, I've got a feeling that in 5 years time I
will still be using it, for prototyping at the very least!

Happy Christmas everyone



Date:    Tue, 23 Dec 1997 22:34:49 -0600
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: mouss down || up

= poss!ble 2 issue mouss down or up eventz with kurrently existing objektz


End of MAX Digest - 22 Dec 1997 to 23 Dec 1997