Subject: MAX Digest - 18 Nov 1997 to 19 Nov 1997
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:01:29 -0500
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There are 11 messages totalling 330 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. call for new Max Audio tools
  2. Bugs in Applications (2)
  3. 1400 / MIDI
  4. 1400cs/midi
  5. QT, Realtime Graphics:More
  6. QT, Realtime Graphics:X<>pose
  7. shift, option and command keys
  8. ecs.bzzp
  9. Apple event problem
 10. Max Object FTP Mirror in US


Date:    Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:09:26 +0100
From:    Andreas Weixler 
Subject: call for new Max Audio tools

Subject: call for new Max Audio tools

Dear Maxers,

is it possible for someone to write new objects for:
1. pitchtracking
2. Audio-delays
3. stereo audio input VU

I am very fond of SiLevel by Takahiko Suzuki, now I_d like to have
more. I was programming a lot on MAX/ISPW but Opcode Max and a
PowerBook is much more convinent for concerts (With low budget).
Delay would be a very basic Audio-Tool, like the Aiff-play now.

Pitchtracking could also be mangaged if SiLevel can be stereo, by
sending a signal through a highpass to channel one and through a
lowpass to channel 2. Comparing the levels gives You an idea about
the pitch, I think so. But as a matter of fact at the time we donnot
have a stereo input object, nor pitchtracking or audio-delay.
Any cat around ?

|   Andreas Weixler, composer, lecturer
|    IEM - Institute for Electronic Music
|    University of Music and dramatic Art Graz
|    Austria
|   e-mail:
|   SAMT - Studio for Advanced Music & Media Technology
|       Bruckner- conservatory Linz / Austria
|    e-mail:
|   member of the directors board of
|       GEM - the society for electroacoustic music, Austria


Date:    Wed, 19 Nov 1997 08:40:22 -0500
From:    John Williams 
Subject: Re: Bugs in Applications

Hi Maxers,
Has anyone experienced the following : -
I have a bug free program. I save as a coll. I have a bug free collective. I
turn it into a stand alone app and now it has a bug. Is this maybe a
of timing ?
Very annoying. I mean, how can I de-bug the editable version if it is
perfectly ???
John Williams.


Date:    Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:51:47 -0500
From:    David Bianciardi 
Subject: Re: 1400 / MIDI

>How about powerbook 1400?
>I went through this last year, with the help of many on this list. The
>secrect is the MIDIman Midi adapter WITH the wall wart (AC power adapter).

i've had a 1400 running happily with the MOTU Pocket Express, as well as
the active (pwr for the oscillator not from your serial port) MIDIman.

David Bianciardi          
        IDRC ||| 467 Greenwich St ||| NYC, NY 10013 ||| 800.767.8414


Date:    Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:44:38 -0600
From:    Todd Welbourne 
Subject: 1400cs/midi

Dear Steve,
        I have been using a 1400cs laptop since August with no problems,
even in performance situations....mine did not come with Midi manager so
OMS is required. I recently reinstalled MM/patchbay,etc. to run some older

>Greetings, I am new on this list serve and I am not sure if this question
>has every been asked.  IF so, does anyone have backup message / files which
>address the following question.  My question is:  I just purchased a PPC
>1400cs laptop for MIDI / MAX portability.  I cannot seem to get any MIDI
>signals either from or to the laptop.  I have tried a variety of techniques
>and now am at a loss of what to do next.  Any help, assistance or
>suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


Date:    Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:17:49 -0500
From:    Stephen Kay 
Subject: Re: Bugs in Applications

>I have a bug free program. I save as a coll. I have a bug free collectiv=
e. I
>turn it into a stand alone app and now it has a bug. Is this maybe a que=
>of timing ?
>Very annoying. I mean, how can I de-bug the editable version if it is wo=
>perfectly ???
>John Williams.

I've had things like this happen, and only by random experimentation have=
able to make them go away.  But I can't offer any helpful suggestions if =
you =

don't say what the bug is.

Stephen Kay=


Date:    Thu, 20 Nov 1997 18:06:34 +0100
From:    David Rodger 
Subject: Re: QT, Realtime Graphics:More

Johnny DeKam wrote:
>-Xpose- is a program written by some techno guys in Belgium (I beleive)
>which is built from the ground up as a visual midi controlled sampler.

This sounds like Don Ritter's Orpheus, written for Amiga with a hardware
JPEG decoder.  I saw a demo of this at ISEA95 and it was nifty.  There was
no mention of MAX, but there was a proposal to port Orpehus to the Mac.

Does anyone closer to Montreal (Concordia University, actually) have any
further news?  I've heard nothing.

Regards, David

David Rodger,                       "Gee, I wonder if  Stockhausen has
Audio Engineer:                   ever met jazz artist/composer Sun Ra
Recording, Editing, Mastering            hails from Saturn? Maybe they
Aquatics:                                  could get and fix the Mir."
RLSS Lifeguard, Lifeguard Trainer           -- Elizabeth Hinkle-Turner
NEW EMAIL:          (please use this address)
OLD EMAIL:                     (nearly dead)         MOTION CAPTURE IN MUSIC


Date:    Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:57:44 -0400
From:    "David Z.Saltz" 
Subject: Re: QT, Realtime Graphics:X<>pose

>>To continue this discussion without mentioning the -Xpose- software
>>would be a crime!

I just finished using X<>Pose to play quicktime videos and picts via MIDI
during a production of Hair I directed. It worked extremely well overall.
There was one major limitation, however. X<>Pose does not work with many
(or possibly any) high-end video cards. I tried a couple of Radius cards
and a Miro card. In the end I had to recompress all my video in Cinepac
and just rely on a very fast processor, fast drive and lots of RAM. The
video was acceptable, but not nearly as smooth (fullscreen) as it was
with hardware compression. However, X<>Pose did a much better job with
both picts and QT than Max, and X<>Pose is very, very easy to work with.
And I understand that the developers (Akaos) are hard at work on a "pro"
version that will work with hardware compression.

And yes, X<>Pose and Max do working wonderfully together (communicating
via IAC).


Date:    Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:59:05 -0400
From:    Curtis Bahn 
Subject: Re: shift, option and command keys

Does anyone know if "modifiers" is available for 3.5?  The version in my
distribution is not FAT, the set of FAT Ellison objects that I found did
not include modifiers.


Stephen Kay wrote:
> >Does anybody know of a way to detect if the shift, option or command
> >keys are down via max?
> >Curtis Bahn
> Steve Ellison's "modifiers" object, available in third part objects folde=
> r
> or ftp, does this.
> Stephen Kay
> -------- The MegaMAX Application Developer's Collection --------
>  Full color 3D UI Objects for creating professional looking apps,
>      Macintosh Interface objects, and other Max helpers.
> -----------check out the demo on the MAX 3.5 CD----------------


Curtis Bahn
iEAR Studios, DCC 135
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
Troy, New York,
office  (518) 276-4032
fax     (518) 276-4780


Date:    Thu, 20 Nov 1997 00:19:48 +0100
From:    Jean Paul Laurent 
Subject: Re: ecs.bzzp

=cw4t7abs  wrote:

>  + lakc||sukc severel+e.

Excuse me, it is really impossible for non English speaking people to
understand what you mean.

I agree with Peter Castine:

>Given that this list has a highly international readership, with many
>participants for whom English is a second (or third, or fourth)
>language, it is only common courtesy to adhere to something that
>approaches standard schoolbook English.


Jean Paul L.

Jean Paul Laurent
B-1490 Court-St-Etienne


Date:    Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:15:55 -0700
From:    Kevin Walker 
Subject: Apple event problem

I'm trying to send an apple event from Max to another application, and then
have the other application send a new apple event back to Max.
Unfortunately, the other app won't do its part until I bring it to the
foreground.  In other words, I cause max to send the apple event, and
nothing happens so long as max remains in the foreground.  As soon as I
bring the other app to the foreground, the new apple event is sent back to

Has anyone experinced similar problems?

(1) Overdrive is off.
(2) I get the same behavior with two different "other apps".
(3) Same behavior with Max 3.0 and Max 2.5.2.
(4) I'm pretty sure that this same patch was working for me a couple of
years ago.  The only differences between now and then that I can think of
(other than a later version of Max) are (a) later version of MacOS (7.6.1),
and (b) OMS instead of Midi Manager (or whatever it was that I used to
use).  Could it be that one of these differences is the culprit?


Date:    Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:19:27 -0800
From:    Issac Roth 
Subject: Max Object FTP Mirror in US

Hi friends,

I've mirrored the IRCAM Max Object ftpsite here in the US (on the west
This ought to make it somewhat easier for US-based people to get at the Max
Objects since connections to are often difficult. The URLs are:
  (HTTP is the preferred access method - please use it if you can)

This is a read-only mirror, no uploads are accepted even though the incoming
directory is present. The mirroring server is located in San Jose, CA, USA
normally has good and very fast net connectivity. Hopefully people in the
will use it instead of the ircam server, thus saving the net and ircam from
lots of trans-continental traffic.

Questions/comments to me.



PS - There is also the beginnings of a user-maintained FAQ page at
You can add your own entries to it, and edit the ones that are there.
Please let me know if you find this to be useful. I'd like to get some
moderators to keep the content fresh... more about that later perhaps.

Issac Roth
Center for Computer Research in Music & Acoustics (CCRMA)
Stanford University
Stanford, CA, USA


End of MAX Digest - 18 Nov 1997 to 19 Nov 1997