Subject: MAX Digest - 10 Nov 1997 to 11 Nov 1997
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There are 12 messages totalling 396 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. wc object
  2. Spell Checker Collection
  3. Max Audio
  4. D-SoundPRO for QTMA (2)
  5. D-Sound Pro for QTMA
  6. comments on recent threads
  7. OMS Timer
  8. Max and QT movies
  9. MAX Audio?
 10. Max Archive
 11. DSound-Pro Downloads

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Date:    Tue, 11 Nov 1997 01:11:50 -0500
From:    Andrew Davenport BROUSE 
Subject: wc object

Does anyone have experience working with the wc object (used to link
remote max users via the internet through a specially configured server.)
Has anyone successfully worked with this? I have been unable to get it to
hookup to the opcode server and would greatly appreciate any advice or
informed speculation in this regard.

Thanks

Andrew Brouse

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Date:    Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:06:57 -0800
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: Re: Spell Checker Collection

Peter Castine  writes, in response
to 3Dcw4t7abs :

>>+ re:piktz !n kollekt!v.
>>zomtimes errors !f not on drive max !s on.
>>[perhapz due 2 hd name.kchr.rr]
>
>Given that this list has a highly international readership, with many =
>participants for whom English is a second (or third, or fourth) =
>language, it is only common courtesy to adhere to something that =
>approaches standard schoolbook English. Granted, it may not be as =
>much fun as trying to outdo the clown previously referred to as =
>Prince, but communication is supposed to be the goal here. As Philip =
>Aker said in another context: Trix are for kids.

I gotta rise to 3Dcw4t7abs's defense. This person(?) makes me feel
like I have missed the boat to a future civilization,
and he/she's sending back reports for my benefit.

What really irritates me is messages with equal signs at the end!
What is that about?

David Z.

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Date:    Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:58:20 +0000
From:    Joseph Hyde 
Subject: Re: Max Audio

Roland Cahen wrote:

>I am very intersted in FTS Max on Mac as I am sure lots of other max users
>are.
>Presently, it does exist and works properly.
>Apparently,it can easyly run many OSC, filters... on a standard PPC in real
>time.
>Actually the problem seems more political, legal and commercial than
>technological.
>The silence has lasted too long.

If this is really true, then it is certainly high time we knew about it.
I've been waiting for FTS on the Mac for a long, long time.  There seems no
reason why such applications should run only on expensive SGIs and obsolete
NeXTs when a decent PowerPC has plenty of processing power for real-time
DSP (you anly have to look at some of the other applications becoming
available).  As far as I'm concerned, the release of Mac FTS would open up
whole new areas of working with Max, and greatly increase its usefulness.
So what's happening?  We have a right to know!

*******************************

Joseph Hyde
Dartington College of Arts
Totnes
Devon TQ9 6EJ

Tel: [+44] (0)1803 861661
Fax: [+44] (0)1803 863569
Email: j.hyde@dartington.ac.uk
WWW: http://www.dartington.ac.uk/~j.hyde/

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Date:    Tue, 11 Nov 1997 15:28:21 +0100
From:    "sjoerd-w. bijleveld" 
Subject: Re: D-SoundPRO for QTMA

*** Where to find D-SoundPRO ***
You will always find the last version of D-SoundPRO at:

http://www.harmony-central.com/Software/Mac
http://www.synthzone.com/dsound.htm
into Compuserve database, (MIDI Forum)
or into Info-mac database

Sjoerd-W. Bijleveld

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Date:    Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:24:59 -0500
From:    David Crandall 
Subject: Re: D-SoundPRO for QTMA

On Tue, 11 Nov 1997, sjoerd-w. bijleveld wrote:

> *** Where to find D-SoundPRO ***
> You will always find the last version of D-SoundPRO at:
>
> http://www.harmony-central.com/Software/Mac
> http://www.synthzone.com/dsound.htm

I just glanced at the synthzone's description and it looks like D-SoundPRO
might well run as a software synth from Max control.  Anybody tried this
yet?

The whole recent discussion of QTMA, etc., just raises a question I asked
before, without reply: is there a resource out, upcoming, published,
private, that treats how to handle these newer facilities, esp.
multitasking using QTMI, QTMA, IAC, etc?  'Cause I've been paying
attention to other things and now that my interest is turning back this
way, I'm a little lost, frankly.

David Crandall

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Date:    Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:13:05 +0100
From:    muki pakesch 
Subject: Re: D-Sound Pro for QTMA

hi!

Johnny DeKam  wrote:
>IS D-Sound Pro available for download?

at any info-mac site
if i'm not mistaken in the directory /gst/snd/

hth
cheers,
muki

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Date:    Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:28:47 -0800
From:    Peter Elsea 
Subject: comments on recent threads

>From recent questions here-

OMS: Max 3.5 requires OMS, so OMS is not just a good idea, it's the law (at
least if you want to use Opcode products, and don't get me started...)

ASCII: Using the LCD to display ASCII is discussed in my tutorial Max&ASCII
available in word 5.1 format at ftp://arts.ucsc.edu/pub/ems/maxtutors

Spelling: as far as =3Dcw4t7abs' idiosyncratic spelling is concerned, I've
always assumed it was the output of some sort of speech recognition system.
It would be impolite to speculate why, but I'm sure he has his reasons.

FTS: et al
>Third parties must put pressure on the others two to make sure they won't
>destroy the only interesting software around at the moment.

David Z *is* dealing with the technical, legal and political problems.
No pressure is required and our patience will be rewarded.

>Further, my question is : are the creators of max really concerned by the
>popular movement it creates.
The creators of Max are nice people who take joy in seeing their work used,
and like to be surprised by new applications. As human beings, they
appreciate our appreciation. They also have to eat and support families.

>Is Max the tool of one person, one institution  and one commercial firm or
>a public and democratic phenomenon ?
The institutions in question were formed to (in part) give new tools to
musicians. This means finding a way to pay the toolmakers. The institutions
use various approaches to this problem, and as with all institutions, the
mechanism to finance the core activity has grown larger (and in some eyes
more important) than the core activity. As also usually happens, the
originators of Max have left the original institution and found more
comfortable situations elsewhere. The question then arises, who owns the
ideas here- the people who wrote the code for Max, the people who
originally asked for the tools (not as I understand it, expecting anything
like Max to be produced) or the folks who provided the money to pay for it
all?

Some of the institutions are public entities, and in a moral sense, their
products should be public. But, practically speaking, the public is not
generous enough to pay for everything that needs to be done. This leads to
bloody fights for resources within the institutions, and an expectation
that every possible source of funding be explored, even to the point of
making poor musicians pay something for what they use.

There is also some good in the discipline that an institution can
influence. Look at what has become of UNIX, or what is happening to JAVA.

>If the latter case is correct, to what extent can we influence its
>developpements ?
>Some poeple are very good programmers but most users are artists and
>creators of all kinds.
>They need the most general tool for various appplications, and they cannot
>create it.
>However they all want certain items in common. Can they influence the
>development in this way ?
The Max establishment (which is to say IRCAM, Opcode, David and Miller, and
the members of this list) is the most responsive to musician's ideas and
needs that I have ever worked with. I have been in a commercial situation
where the lead programmer would not make a difference between a tie and a
slur because it would mess up the symetry of his data scheme. I have seen
marketing directors shoot down useful but subtle ideas because they
wouldn't help sell to the disco crowd. I have seen a comercial company try
to co-opt or kill proposed file interchange standards. (Let's not bother to
mention the horror stories that come out of academic politics.)
The underlying structure for Max is available to you. You can extend it
yourself (as many here do routinely) or hire someone to make extensions for
you. If you can't do that, just make the suggestion here. Someone may
already have something close, or be interested in a similar problem, and
will respond with something to try.
(I routinely call for suggestions for additions to my Lobjects- you're too
late for this year, but I may have time again next summer.)
Major revisions of course have to come from above, so to speak, but even so
Max has been updated more often and in a more responsive way than most
commercial products, and certainly more responsively than academic products.

Peter Elsea
Electronic Music Studios
University of California, Santa Cruz
http://arts.ucsc.edu/EMS/Music/index.html
 elsea@cats.ucsc.edu

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Date:    Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:05:22 -0500
From:    David Bianciardi 
Subject: OMS Timer

Hi folks.  I'm looking at using OMS Timer for sync between Max and Vision
on the same machine.  I'm thinking it'll be better than Beat Clock over
IAC, more elegant than leaving the machine and coming back in on cables,
and more stable than MIDI manager.  Are these assumptions correct?

One other question;  which is the earliest version of Vision that supports
OMS Timer send/rcv ?

Thanks,

David

David Bianciardi              tech@idrc.com                gdb@interport.net
____________________________________________________________________________
        IDRC ||| 467 Greenwich St ||| NYC, NY 10013 ||| 800.767.8414

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Date:    Tue, 11 Nov 1997 17:24:44 -0500
From:    Jeffrey Krieger 
Subject: Max and QT movies

Before I go spend, spend, spend to max out on RAM on my powerbook I thought
I
would find out more about the mysteries of MAX, RAM and videos.  Maybe there
is no mystery and I just haven't been in touch with this list enough.  I am
sure having more video RAM would make movies run faster on a machine like
this but I would like to know more about how RAM allocated to MAX works and
how it is used when running videos.  I have allocated (don't laugh) 20 mgs
of
RAM to MAX to work with a dozen or so QT movies.  I read all of these in and
then randomly play them.  Slowly the memory is drained in the MAX window.
 When it gets below 100k MAX slows down.  This happens within 5 minutes of
working with the video files.  So my question is if I allocate say 40 mgs to
MAX will it take longer to get below 100k or will it just get there faster?

Jeff Krieger

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Date:    Tue, 11 Nov 1997 18:17:26 -0500
From:    Nick Longo 
Subject: Re: MAX Audio?

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Subject: Re: Max Archive

Dear Uncle Max,
I think putting up the digest as an archive is a thing good and I would
like to see as complete an archive as possible. I personally think that the
digest IS as important as the public distribution of patches. There are a
number of people doing this archiving in different ways and it would be
nice to see them communicate with each other.  If it weren't for the fact
that I hadn't properly archived the digest for my self,  It would have been
added it as a feature to the [ here's the plug ]  Max Resource Guide,
scenicly located at:  http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/7055/.
I still would like to see a Max usenet group in order to exchange binaries
of our work.  I know we would have to post a FAQ every day in order to
answer the same questions that would no doubt be asked BUT I think it might
give a different level of communication between us as well as lend it's
self to topics usually left off the digest (like spell checking).  Yes, the
usenet format does lend it's self to in fighting and petty squabbling but
it also CAN mean that people can do things like post their work without
going through the hassle of uploading it onto the various FTP sites....
The advantage here is that people who may not normally be inclined to share
their work may actually do so, inspired by the ease.
TD

"Death To The Dumb, Curses Upon The Heads Of The Weird"
Tommy DOG, specialist & curator of noises and visual oddities
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/3976/uni.html

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Date:    Tue, 11 Nov 1997 22:55:33 -0500
From:    Taylor Brady 
Subject: DSound-Pro Downloads

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You can download DSound-Pro at the Harmony Central site:
http://www.harmony-central.com/Software/Mac .

Johnny DeKam wrote:

IS D-Sound Pro available for download?

Please list URL for website

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You can download DSound-Pro at the Harmony Central site:  
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 om/Software/Mac
.


Johnny DeKam wrote:


IS D-Sound Pro available for download?


Please list URL for website

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