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Subject: MAX Digest - 15 Sep 1997 to 16 Sep 1997 - Special
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There are 5 messages totalling 588 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. urn bug (2)
  2. catalog of objects?
  3. versionitis
  4. some extra money

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Date:    Tue, 16 Sep 1997 00:43:36 -0400
From:    Chester Jankowski 
Subject: urn bug

I've just uncovered an odd bug in the urn external (I'm using 68K 3.5.8).
If you run the patcher below with various arguments to urn, all is well.
But if you give urn the argument 8, wackiness ensues.

max v2;
#N vpatcher 3 42 339 312;
#P newex 8 54 40 196617 t b b b;
#P message 81 180 28 196617 open;
#P newex 116 205 27 196617 text;
#P number 63 107 35 9 0 0 0 3;
#P button 8 30 15 0;
#P newex 8 82 48 196617 uzi 1000;
#P message 142 180 31 196617 clear;
#P message 17 107 31 196617 clear;
#P message 116 180 18 196617 cr;
#P newex 63 150 63 196617 t b b;
#P newex 8 126 65 196617 urn 3;
#P connect 0 1 1 0;
#P connect 0 0 8 0;
#P connect 10 1 3 0;
#P connect 10 0 5 0;
#P connect 10 2 4 0;
#P connect 1 0 3 0;
#P connect 1 1 2 0;
#P connect 2 0 8 0;
#P connect 3 0 0 0;
#P connect 4 0 8 0;
#P connect 5 0 0 0;
#P connect 5 1 9 0;
#P connect 6 0 10 0;
#P connect 7 0 0 1;
#P connect 9 0 8 0;
#P pop;

Thou still unravished bride of quietness...

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Date:    Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:46:37 +0200
From:    dudas 
Subject: catalog of objects?

Alex Stahl writes:
>Has anyone gone to the trouble of maintaining a catalog of objects, their
>status, and source?  Does anyone else think this would be very helpful, or
>am I alone in my slovenly object management habits?

I once started to put together such a list (last September, in fact) but I
quickly lost interest when I started to realize the vast proportions it was
going to assume.

I think that for the time being, the best way to check up on objects and
their current status is to look at the MS word doc describing the contents
of the Ircam ftp.  Of course, this is only valid for the third party
objects. I think one can assume that any "standard" max objects are
currently available in their most recent form on the Max3.5 CD ROM
(unfortunately compressed in the installer) and in the 3.5.8 Update.

-Richard

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Date:    Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:39:46 -0400
From:    Stephen Kay 
Subject: urn bug

>I've just uncovered an odd bug in the urn external (I'm using 68K 3.5.8)=
=2E
>If you run the patcher below with various arguments to urn, all is well.=

>But if you give urn the argument 8, wackiness ensues.

I can verify that in 3.0 the bug is also reproducible.  Why does urn not
like the number 8?

Stephen Kay

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Date:    Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:07:42 -0700
From:    WALTER SHELUK 
Subject: versionitis

In reference to the following portion of a message dated Mon, 15 Sep
1997 10:42:30 -0700 from Alex Stahl 

> Has anyone gone to the trouble of maintaining a catalog of objects, their
> status, and source?  Does anyone else think this would be very helpful, or
> am I alone in my slovenly object management habits?

No,
yes,
no.

It would be of tremendous help I am sure to all us MAXers if we could
get OPCODE to post for download the all current official folder contents
of externals, Max tutorial, max-help, max-startup.

There have been sooo many updates to get us to version 3.5.8 that I am
not confident that I have installed all the updates to those folders
named above correctly.

Walter
Tue, Sep 16, 1997 11:07 AM

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Date:    Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:56:08 PDT
From:    Jennifer Urich 
Subject: some extra money

Please take a moment, I thought you might be interested.

                                        -JCU

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You are about to make at least $50,000 - In less than 90 days.
Read the enclosed program . . . THEN READ IT AGAIN!!!

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The enclosed information is something I almost let slip through
my fingers.  Fortunately, sometime later I re-read everything and
gave some thought and study to it.

My name is Christopher Erickson.  Two years ago, the corporation
I worked at for the past twelve years down-sized and my position
was eliminated.  After unproductive job interviews,  I decided to
open my own business.  Over the past year, I incurred many
unforeseen financial problems.  I owed my family, friends, and
creditors over $35,000.

The economy was taking a toll on my business and I just couldn't
seem to make ends meet.  I had to refinance and borrow against my
home to support my family and struggling business.  I truly
believe it was wrong for me to be in debt like this.  AT THAT
MOMENT something significant happened in my life and I am writing
to share my experience in hopes that this will change your life
FOREVER....FINANCIALLY!!!

In mid-December, I received this program via email.  Six months
prior to receiving this program I had been sending away for
information on various business opportunities.  All of the
programs I received, in my opinion, were not cost effective.
They were either too difficult for me to comprehend or the
initial investment was too much for me to risk to see if they
worked or not.  One claimed I'd make a million dollars in one
year...it didn't tell me I'd have to write a book to make it.

But like I was saying, in December of '92 I received this
program.  I didn't send for it, or ask for it, they just got my
name off a mailing list.  THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT!!!  After
reading it several times, to make sure I was reading it
correctly, I couldn't believe my eyes.

Here was a MONEY-MAKING PHENOMENON.  I could invest as much as I
wanted to start, without putting me further in debt.  After I got
a pencil and paper and figured it out, I would at least get my
money back.  After determining that the program is LEGAL and NOT
A CHAIN LETTER, I decided "WHY NOT".
Initially I sent out 10,000 emails.  It only cost me about $15.00
for my time on-line.  The great thing about email is that I
didn't need any money for printing to send out the program, only
the cost to fulfill my orders.  I am telling you like it is, I
hope it doesn't turn you off, but I promised myself that I would
not "rip-off" anyone, no matter how much money it cost me!.

In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for
REPORT #1. By January 13th, I had received 26 orders for REPORT
#1.  When you read the GUARANTEE in the program, you will see
that "YOU MUST RECEIVE 15 TO 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN TWO
WEEKS.  IF YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO!"  My
first step in making $50,000 in 20 to 90 days was done.  By
January 30th, I had received 196 orders for REPORT #2.  If you go
back to the GUARANTEE, "YOU MUST RECEIVE 100 OR MORE ORDERS FOR
REPORT #2 WITHIN TWO WEEKS.  IF NOT, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL
YOU DO.  ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU
WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000 GOAL."  Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT
#2, 96 more than I needed.  So I sat back and relaxed.  By March
19th, of my emailing of 10,000, I received $58,000 with more
coming in every day.

I paid off  ALL my debts and bought a much needed new car.
Please take time to read the attached program, IT WILL CHANGE
YOUR LIFE FOREVER!  Remember,  it won't work if you don't try it.

This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY!
Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in a
different place.  It doesn't work, you'll lose out on a  lot  of
money!  REPORT  #2  explains this.  Always follow the guarantee,
15 to 20  orders  for REPORT #1, and 100 or more orders for
REPORT #2 and you will make  $50,000 or more in 20 to 90 days.  I
AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS !!!

If you choose not to participate in this program, I'm sorry.  It really
is a great opportunity with little cost or risk to you.
I you choose to participate, follow the program and you will be
on your way to financial security. If you are a fellow business
owner and you are in financial trouble like I was, or you want to
start your own business, consider this a sign.  I DID!
                                        Sincerely,
                                        Christopher Erickson

PS  Do you have any idea what 11,700 $5 bills ($58,000) look like
piled up on a kitchen table? IT'S AWESOME!

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         HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU
       $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it
goes, and we'll assume you and all those involved send out 2,000
programs each.  Let's also assume that the mailing receives a 5%
response. Using a good list, the response could be much better.
Also many people will send out hundreds of thousands of programs
instead of 2,000. But continuing with this example, you send out
only 2,000 programs. With a 5% response, that is only 10 orders
for REPORT #1. Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000
programs each for a total of 20,000. Out of those 5%, 100 people
respond and order REPORT #2. Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs
each for a total or 200,000.  The 50/6 response to that is 1,000
orders for REPORT #3.  Those 1,000 send out 2,000 programs each
for a 2,000,000 total. The 5% response to that is 10,000 orders
for REPORT #4. That's 10,000 five dollar bills for you. CASH!!!
Your total income in this example is $50 + $500 + $5,000 +
$50,000 for a total of $55,550!!!!

REMEMBER, FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF 2,000 PEOPLE YOU
MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING... AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM!
DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE OR HALF
SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF ONLY 2,000. Believe me, many
people will do that and more! By the way, your cost to
participate in this is practically nothing.

You obviously already have an Internet connection and email is
FREE!!!  REPORT #3 will show you the best methods for bulk
emailing and purchasing email lists.

THIS is A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY It does not
require you to come in contact with people, do any hard work, and
best of all, you never have to leave the house except to get the
mail. If you believe that someday you'll get that big break that
you've been waiting for. THIS IS IT.  Simply follow the
instructions, and your dream will come true.  This multi-level
email marketing program works perfectly ....100% EVERY TIME.
Email is the sales tool of the future. Take advantage of this
non-commercialized method of advertising NOW! 'The longer you
wait, the more people will be doing business using email. Get
your piece of this action!!

MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) has finally gained respectability. It
is being taught in the Harvard Business School, and both Stanford
Research and The Wall Street Journal have stated that between 50%
and 65% of all goods and services will be sold throughout Multi-
level Methods by the mid to late 1990's. This is a Multi-Billion
Dollar industry and of the 500,000 millionaires in the US, 20%
(100,000) made their fortune in the last several years in MLM.
Moreover, statistics show 45 people become millionaires everyday
through Multi-Level Marketing.

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INSTRUCTIONS

This is a method of raising capital that REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY
TIME. I am sure that you could use $50,000 to $125,000 in the
next 20 to 90 days.  Before you say "Bull", please read the
program carefully.

This is not a chain letter, but a perfectly legal money making
opportunity.  Basically, this is what we do:

As with all multilevel business, we build our business by
recruiting new partners and selling our products. Every state in
the USA allows you to recruit new multi-level business partners,
and we offer a product for EVERY dollar sent. YOUR ORDERS COME
AND ARE FILLED THROUGH ME MAIL, so you are not involved in
personal selling.  You do it privately in your own home, store or
office.

This is the GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere.

STEP #1
Order all four (4) REPORTS listed by NAME AND NUMBER.  Do this by
ordering the REPORT from each of the four (4) names listed on the
next page. For each REPORT, send $5 CASH and a SELF-ADDRESSED
STAMPED envelope (BUSINESS SIZE #10) to the person listed for the
SPECIFIC REPORT.  International orders should also include $1
extra for postage.  It is essential that you specify the NAME and
NUMBER of  the report requested to the person you are ordering
from. You will need ALL FOUR (4)REPORTS because you will be
REPRINTING and RESELLING them. DO NOT alter the names or sequence
other than what the instructions say.  IMPORTANT:  Always provide
same day service on all orders.

Step #2
Replace the name and address under REPORT #1 with yours, moving
the one that was there down to REPORT #2.  Drop the name and
address under REPORT #2 to REPORT #3, moving the one that was
there to REPORT #4.  The name   and address that was under REPORT
#4 is dropped from the list and this party is no doubt an the way
to the bank.  When doing this, make certain you type the names
and addresses ACCURATELY! DO NOT MIX UP MOVING PRODUCT/REPORT
POSITIONS!!!

STEP #3
Having made the required changes in the NAME list, save it as a
text (.txt) file in it's own directory to be used with whatever
email program you like. Again, REPORT #3 will tell you the best
methods of bulk emailing and acquiring email lists.

STEP #4
Email a copy of the entire program (all of this is very
important) to every  one whose address you can get your hands on.

Start with friends and relatives since you can encourage them to
take advantage of this fabulous money-making opportunity. That's
what I bid. And they love me now, more than ever Then, email to
anyone and everyone! Use your imagination!  You can get email
addresses from companies on the Internet who specialize in email
mailing lists. These are very affordable, 100,000 addresses for
around $35.00.

IMPORTANT: You won't get a good response if you use an old list,
always request a FRESH, NEW list. You will find out where to
purchase these lists when you order the four (4) REPORTS.

ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS!!!

     * * * * * REQUIRED REPORTS * * * *

* * * Order each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME * * *

ALWAYS SEND A SELF-ADDRESSED, STAMPED ENVELOPE AND $5 CASH FOR
EACH ORDER REQUESTING THE SPECIFIC REPORT BY NAME AND NUMBER
___________________________________________________
REPORT #1
"HOW TO MAKE $250,000 THROUGH MULTI-LEVEL SALES"

ORDER REPORT #1 FROM:

Jennifer Urich
P O Box 391
Buffalo, New York  14207-0391
___________________________________________________
REPORT #2
"MAJOR CORPORATIONS AND MULTI-LEVEL SALES"

ORDER REPORT #2 FROM:

Jay Sparkman
3906 Port Simbor Ave.
Orlando, Florida  32817
___________________________________________________
REPORT#3
"SOURCES FOR THE BEST MAILING LISTS"

ORDER REPORT #3 FROM

Hoffman Enterprises
1009 Garfield Ave.
Belvidere, IL. 61008-53440
___________________________________________________
REPORT #4
"EVALUATING MULTI-LEVEL SALES PLANS"

ORDER REPORT #4 FROM:
M.O.C. Marketing
P O Box 146
Gaithersberg, MD 20884-0146
__________________________________________________

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CONCLUSION

I am enjoying my fortune that I made by sending out this program.

You too, will be making money in 20 to 90 days, if you follow the
SIMPLE STEPS outlined in this mailing.

To be financially independent is to be FREE.  Free to make
financial decisions as never before.  Go into business, get into
investments, retire or take a vacation.  No longer will a lack of
money hold you back.

However, very few people reach financial independence, because
when opportunity knocks, they choose to ignore it.  It is much
easier to say "NO" than "YES", and this is the question that you
must answer.  Will YOU ignore this amazing opportunity or will
you take advantage of it?  If you do nothing, you have indeed
missed something and nothing will change.  Please re-read this
material, this is a special opportunity.  If you have any
questions, please feel free to write to the sender of this
information.  You will get a prompt and informative reply.

his method is simple.  You sell thousands of people a product
for $5 that costs you pennies to produce and email.

I should also point out that this program is legal and everyone
who participates WILL make money.  This is not a chain letter or
pyramid scam.  At times you have probably received chain letters,
asking you to send money, on faith, but getting NOTHING in
return, NO product what-so-ever!  Not only are chain letters
illegal, but the risk of someone breaking the chain makes them
quite unattractive.

You are offering a legitimate product to your people.  After they
purchase the product from you, they reproduce more and resell
them.  It's simple free enterprise.  As you learned from the
enclosed material, the PRODUCT is a series of four 4 FINANCIAL
AND BUSINESS REPORTS.  The information contained in these REPORTS
will not only help you in making your participation in this
program more rewarding, but will be useful to you in any other
business decisions you make in the years ahead.  You are also
buying the rights to reprint all of the REPORTS, which will be
ordered from you by those to whom you mail this program.  The
concise one and two page REPORTS you will be buying can easily be
reproduced at a local copy center for a cost off about 3 cents a
copy.  Best wishes with the program and Good Luck!

A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM

By the time you have read the enclosed information and looked
over the enclosed program and reports, you should have concluded
that such a program, and one that is legal, could not have been
created by an amateur.

You have just received information that can give you financial
freedom for the rest of your life, with "NO RISK" and "JUST A
LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT'.  You can make more money in the next few
months than you have ever imagined.

I should also point out that I will not see a penny of your
money, nor anyone else who has provided testimonials for this
program. I have already made over FOUR MILLION DOLLARS! I have
retired from the program after sending out over 16,000 programs.
Now I have several offices which market this and several other
programs here in the US and overseas. By the spring, we wish to
market the "Internet" by a partnership with America On Line.

Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any
way. It works exceedingly well as it is now.

Remember to Email a copy of this exciting program to everyone you
can think of. One of the people you send this to may send out
50,000....and your name will be on everyone of them!! Remember
though, the more you send out, the more potential customers you
will reach.

So my friend, 1 have given you the ideas, information, materials
and opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO
YOU NOW!

"THINK ABOUT IT"

Before you delete this program from your mailbox, as I almost did, take
a little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT.  Get a pencil and
figure out what could happen when YOU participate.  Figure out the worst
possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you will still
make a lot of money!

Definitely get back what you invested.  Any doubts you have will
vanish when your first orders come in.  IT WORKS!

Paul Johnson, Raleigh, NC

"IT WAS TRULY AMAZING"

"Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up
my mind to participate in this program.  But conservative as I
am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that
there was no way that I could not get enough orders to at least get my
money back.  BOY, was I ever surprised when I found my
medium sized post office box crammed with orders!  I will make
more money this year than any ten years of my life before."

Mary Riceland, Lansing, MI

"THREW IT AWAY"

"I  had  received  this program before.  I  threw  it away, but
later wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try.  Of course, I had no
idea who to contact to get a copy, so I had to wait until I was emailed
another copy of the program.  Eleven months passed
then it came.  I DIDN'T throw this one away.  I made $41,000 on
the first try."

Dawn W., Evansville, IN

"NO FREE LUNCH"

"My late father always told me, 'remember, Alan, there is no free
lunch in life.  You get out of life what you put into it.'
Through trial and error and a somewhat slow frustrating start, I
finally figured it out.  The program works very well, I just had
to find the right target group of people to email it to.  So far
this year, I have made over $63,000 using this program.  I know
my dad would have been very proud of me."

Alan B., Philadelphia, PA

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TIPS FOR SUCCESS

Send for your four 4 REPORTS immediately so you will have them
when the orders start coming in.  When you receive a $5 order,
you MUST send out the product/service to comply with US Postal
and Lottery laws.  Title 18 Sections 1302 and 1341 specifically
state that:  "A PRODUCT OR SERVICE MUST BE EXCHANGED FOR MONEY
RECEIVED."

WHILE YOU WAIT FOR THE REPORTS TO ARRIVE:

1.   Name your new company. You can use your own name if you
     desire.

2.   Get a post office box (preferred).

3.   Edit the names and addresses on the program. You must
     remember, your name and address go next to REPORT #1 and the
     others all move down one, with the fourth one being bumped
     OFF the list.

4.   Obtain as many email addresses as possible to send until you
     receive the information on mailing list companies in REPORT
     #3.

5.   Decide on the number of programs you intend to send out.
     The more you send, and the quicker you send them, the more
     money you will make.

6.   After mailing the programs, get ready to fill the orders.

7.   Copy the four 4 REPORTS so you are able to sent them out as
     soon as you receive an order. IMPORTANT: ALWAYS PROVIDE
     SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ORDERS YOU RECEIVE!

8.   Make certain the letter and reports are neat and legible.

YOUR GUARANTEE

The check point which GUARANTEES your success is simply this:
you must receive 15 to 20 orders for REPORT #1.  This is a
must!!!  If you don't within two weeks, email out more programs
until you do.  Then a couple of weeks later you should receive at
least 100 orders for REPORT #2, if you don't, send out more
programs until you do.  Once you have received 100 or more orders
for REPORT #2, (take a deep breath) you can sit back and relax,
because  YOU  ARE  GOING TO  MAKE  AT  LEAST  $50,000.
Mathematically it is a proven guarantee.  Of those who have
participated in the program and reached the above GUARANTEES-ALL
have reached their $50,000 goal.  Also, remember, every time your
name is moved down the list you are in front of a different
REPORT, so you can keep track of your program by knowing what
people are ordering from you.  IT'S THAT EASY, REALLY, IT IS!!!

REMEMBER:
     "HE WHO DARES NOTHING, NEED NOT HOPE FOR ANYTHING."
     "INVEST A LITTLE TIME, ENERGY AND MONEY NOW OR
          SEARCH FOR IT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE."

______________________________________________________
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