8/26/97 11:00 PM
Subject: MAX Digest - 26 Aug
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There are 5 messages totalling 183 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. notes, IAC delay
  2. MAX Digest - 24 Aug 1997 to 26 Aug 1997
  3. ASCII code -> Actual Text
  4. please post to MAX list (fwd)
  5. IAC timing issues


Date:    Tue, 26 Aug 1997 08:24:12 -0000
From:    Nick Rothwell 
Subject: Re: notes, IAC delay

> b) There is a delay from the time the note is sent til it appears on the
> screen. This delay could have three causes-
>  Overture, (in step enter mode) processes the notes at note off time,
>  Overture takes a noticable time to do this processing (it is display,
> after all), and a little less time when the note comes in on the modem
> port.
>  This would imply a delay on the IAC buss between Max and Overture, but
> when notes are played by max and the thru feature of Overture, there is no
> noticable delay.

Perhaps I'm missing something here, but I don't see why this is cause
for comment. The IAC buss is presumably an interrupt-level realtime
thing (like the MIDI Manager's internal routing), whereas display
functionality is hooked into the QuickDraw ToolBox and top-level event
loop, which is in turn integrated with the Mac's non-preemptive
multitasking. In fact, the old scrolls of Mac programming wisdom state
that programs should not actually do graphics in response to state
change, but instead post themselves an invalidate-region event and let
the event handler cause a redraw: this leads to cleaner and more
responsive graphical behaviour.

This is the MAX list, we're all seasoned Mac users, many of us are
seasoned Mac and MIDI programmers, so I fail to see why this is an
issue. (If I am missing something, I'm sure you'll all tell me.)

         Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL        contemporary dance projects        music synthesis and control

             years, passing by, VCO, VCF, and again, and again


Date:    Tue, 26 Aug 1997 08:58:29 -0600
From:    Rodrigo Sigal 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 24 Aug 1997 to 26 Aug 1997

        I=B4m a mexican composer and just bought my max software.
        =C7how can i start?, i=B4m lost=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1=A1 is there any
 about max
besides the manual?
        I know this pannel is for experts but who else to ask?
Rodrigo Sigal
Manta Audio


Date:    Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:37:28 +0000
From:    Dan 
Subject: ASCII code -> Actual Text

I wonder if anyone could tell me if there's
a simple way to convert an integer list
to text on the screen (ie. into a message box).

I seem to be able to convert text to ASCII code
(with Text or Key objects), but can't find an
object to convert the other way.

Thanks for any suggestions.


Date:    Tue, 26 Aug 1997 18:10:06 -0700
From:    Christopher Murtagh 
Subject: please post to MAX list (fwd)

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 18:15:14 -0600
From: (Steven M. Miller)
Subject: please post to MAX list

The Contemporary Music Program
The College of Santa Fe

Announces a Call For Works

Background Information:
        The 2nd Annual Santa Fe International Electro-Acoustic Music
Festival will be held April 3 & 4, 1998 in Santa Fe New Mexico, USA.  This
year's festival will comprise several events:
        Outdoor ambient sound/music installation in the CMP (Contemporary
Music Program) courtyard
        Performance by the CSF Electro-Acoustic Music Ensemble lead by
David Dunn and Steven M. Miller
        Afternoon concert of electro-acoustic tape music
        Two evenings of live electro-acoustic performances (performers TBA)

The Call for Works:
Tape Music:
        We are soliciting tape music works intended for stereo playback in
an indoor location conducive to active and attentive listening in a
comfortable environment (not a typical concert hall).  Preference is for
recent works, no longer than 15-18 minutes in length (to facilitate a
larger number of pieces presented), composed specifically for the
electro-acoustic tape music medium.
        All submissions must be submitted on audio CD or DAT (44.1 ONLY),
and include short program notes and bio on composer/performers involved.
Technical info may also be included.
        All submissions for tape music must be postmarked no later than 15
February 1998.

Live Performance:
        Proposals for live performance of electro-acoustic music will also
be considered.  Please be aware that at this time only a modest honorarium
for performers can be offered.  Regrettably, we can not provide or assist
with transportation, lodging or other expenses.
        All submissions must include a high quality recording of the
piece(s) to be performed or other relevant examples, a complete description
of technical needs (indicating which will be provided by the performers,
and which will be need to be provided by us), and program notes and bio on
        All submissions for live performances must be postmarked no later
than 15 January 1997.

Please send all submissions and requests for information to:

        Steven M. Miller, Director
        Contemporary Music Program
        The College of Santa Fe
        1600 St. Michael's Drive
        Santa Fe NM 87505

Further info can also be requested via email from: CMP@UNIX.NETS.COM

Steven M. Miller - Director, Contemporary Music Program
Asst. Professor of Contemporary Music
Performing Arts Department
The College of Santa Fe
1600 St. Michael's Drive
Santa Fe, NM 87505 USA


Date:    Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:49:06 +0000
From:    Jeremy Roberts 
Subject: Re: IAC timing issues

>Conclusion: Unless David Z cheated and somehow captures IAC data when the
>same buss is referenced for input and output (can't imagine why), Max blows
>the tires off Vision and Overture when it comes to processing IAC data.
>(Again, perfectly reasonable behavior - imagine the amount of code that is
>invoked by Overture to display notes on the screen. Vision MIDIkeys is
>probably more direct, but it's still mapped through the MIDIkeys table to
>the Mac keyboard table to the  sequence start routine.)

So this confirms my findings. Bummer... I was hoping to use max in this
capacity but I can't seem to make the code tight enough to trigger the
Vision midi keys through the IAC bus. I haven't tried hooking up a midi
cable to dedicated studio 5 ports... I'll try that next.

Peter, thanks for confirming my findings. I take it my choice of how to
code it was the clean/best/appropiate way? Since I'm new at this, all
help is appreciated, even if it's just telling me i did it as best anyone




End of MAX Digest - 26 Aug 1997