From:
                                                            7/30/97 11:00 PM
Subject: MAX Digest - 30 Jul
1997To: Recipients of MAX digests 

There are 4 messages totalling 112 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. colored patch cords (2)
  2. OS 8.0
  3. Max and 8

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:01:07 -0400
From:    Jeremy Roberts 
Subject: Re: colored patch cords

>As long as you are fixing patch cords in Max, David....
>
>Is there any chance of getting colored patch cords in Max?
>Think of all the trippy sting art designs you could do in patcher windows!!
>
>Seriously it would really make it easier to see what is going on in complex
>patchers if you could color code patch cords.

Now that would make my day!

As a novice, I can easily get confused by wire running everywhere...
especially when I'm in a preliminary design stage and am expirimenting
with many variations...

Another thing - as a QuarkXpress/DTP geek, I'm so accustomed to GROUPING
objects... to group objects and the patch cords associated with them
would be helpful.

JR

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:10:25 EDT
From:    Tom Ritchford 
Subject: Re: colored patch cords

Jeremy Roberts  writes:
>>As long as you are fixing patch cords in Max, David....
>>
>>Is there any chance of getting colored patch cords in Max?
>>Think of all the trippy sting art designs you could do in patcher
windows!!
>>
>>Seriously it would really make it easier to see what is going on in
complex
>>patchers if you could color code patch cords.
>
>Now that would make my day!
>
>As a novice, I can easily get confused by wire running everywhere...
>especially when I'm in a preliminary design stage and am expirimenting
>with many variations...
>
>Another thing - as a QuarkXpress/DTP geek, I'm so accustomed to GROUPING
>objects... to group objects and the patch cords associated with them
>would be helpful.

I'd particularly love a feature where you could turn on and off viewing
of different groups of patch cords.  It would make that classic patch
cord jungle much more tractable.

Not that I'm trying to put more work onto you, David Z, God of Max!!
Particularly with those two new bugfixes you just released...

    /t

Tom Ritchford                        tom@mvision.com

    Verge's "Little Idiot" -- Music for the mentally peculiar.
1-800-WEIRDOS                       http://www.weirdos.com/verge

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 30 Jul 1997 12:42:29 -0800
From:    Richard Zvonar 
Subject: Re: OS 8.0

 On Tue, 29 Jul 1997 16:23:19 -0400  Bob Gluck 

>... Have any of you tried OS
>8.0 running Max yet?

One little thing I just discovered is an artifact of the new "collapse box"
on the right side of a MacOS 8.0 title bar.  It appears that this uses the
same ID as the lock/unlock button of a Max patcher window, so that
attempting to unlock a patch for editing actually collapses the patcher
window!  The workaround is to use CMD-E to unlock and lock patcher windows.

______________________________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD                              zvonar@LCSaudio.com
(818) 760-8055 voice/fax                         71501.3342@compuserve.com

                          http://www.well.com/~zvonar

------------------------------

Date:    Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:19:00 -0700
From:    David Zicarelli 
Subject: Max and 8

There *is* a stupid problem with Max and system 8: Apple decided
to use MY internal code for their new (and rather useless IMHO)
"Window Shade" gadget that now appears in all windows, whether
you (or the programmer) wanted it or not. So when you click on the
"lock" gadget that I oh-so-cleverly add to the title bar of a
patcher window, the window disappears! I guess that's locking
of a certain kind.

Anyway, I'm just finishing up a new update to 3.5 that will fix this
problem, and also add "platinum"-looking lock and enable gadgets
when you are using the Platinum appearance. Until then, or if you
are using an earlier version, I'd suggest learning to command-click
on nothing instead of using the lock gadget to lock and unlock
patcher windows.

David Z.

------------------------------

End of MAX Digest - 30 Jul 1997
*******************************