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Subject: MAX Digest - 24 Jul 1997 to 25 Jul
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There are 8 messages totalling 216 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. tamper proof patches? (3)
  2. Ircam Forum CD
  3. a kis kapun keresztul...
  4. Extensals Development software
  5. Externals Devlopment Software
  6. Something very personal

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Date:    Fri, 25 Jul 1997 00:36:34 -0400
From:    Jeremy Roberts 
Subject: Re: tamper proof patches?

>They must be growing smarter pit orhcestras these days.
>The last time I worked with a pit orchestra, the violist was crying
>because the oboist detuned one of the tuning pegs on her viola and
>wouldn't tell her which one.

Seriously, at Jekyll & Hyde on Broadway, a substitute keyboard player
UNPLUGGED their controller keyboard, in order to plug in a personal
fan... I was paged... "Keyboard 3 is DOWN!!! Come and fix it, NOW!!!!"

The sub complained... "but my fan doesn't work now..."

You gotta have your priorities!

In regards to my tamper proof question, I don't want to leave anything to
chance. If there's a way, these guys will figure out how to screw you
up... so you have to not only idiotproof it, you have to moronproof and
stupidityproof it as well. When the Jekyll national tour was out, someone
got into one of the OMS setups and changed everything. Why? A midi cable
failed and they thought it was a software problem... I had to restore
from a backup.

I'll be using a security program called Fileguard to prevent disk
access... and to log all activity.. so no one will even consider
tampering once they see the effort I made to catch them...

Silly, huh?

JR

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Date:    Thu, 24 Jul 1997 21:49:03 -0800
From:    Richard Zvonar 
Subject: Re: Ircam Forum CD

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997 13:32:01 +0200 dudas  wrote:

>The Forum's bi-annual CD ROM is the main distribution method for the
>software. You can only get the CD if you join the Forum.

So the CD comes out every two years?

>So just what IS the software anyway?

I saw demos of Audiosculpt and Modalys at ICMC95, and was suitably
impressed.

Max/FTS is pretty pervasive in academic circles, and no doubt most of us
here are familiar with it.  However, I've heard it rumored that FTS has
been undergoing a bifurcation in its development, with some development
going on at IRCAM and some elsewhere.

>The membership fees are listed (in French Francs) at the end of "Forum
>Service Contract"/ "Contrat Service Forum".

It should be pointed out that the membership fees are annual - at the end
of the license period the software ceases to function.

______________________________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD                              zvonar@LCSaudio.com
(818) 760-8055 voice/fax                         71501.3342@compuserve.com

                          http://www.well.com/~zvonar

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Date:    Thu, 24 Jul 1997 21:37:45 -0800
From:    Richard Zvonar 
Subject: Re: tamper proof patches?

On Thu, 24 Jul 1997 09:32:07 -0700 Mike Metlay ++ Atomic City
 made a viola joke:

>Sorry.

I've referred the matter to the VADL.

______________________________________________________________________________
Richard Zvonar, PhD                              zvonar@LCSaudio.com
(818) 760-8055 voice/fax                         71501.3342@compuserve.com

                          http://www.well.com/~zvonar

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Date:    Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:27:09 +0200
From:    dudas 
Subject: a kis kapun keresztul...

Jeremy Roberts writes:
>>Is there a backdoor to get into a compiled app or collective once made?

Stephen Kay writes:
>Well, it depends what you mean by tamper-proof.  Any application can be
>tampered with and made inoperable by using Res-Edit on it in various ways
> . . . but I
>doubt you would be able to do anything except make ruin the application.

It would be interesting to have a contest where someone posts a "difficult
to crack" max app to the list.  The object of the contest would be to
"re-patcherize" it.  The first person to succeed would have his copy of Max
revoked for life, and should be ex-communicated from the Max list!

-Xoaz

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Date:    Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:20:05 -0000
From:    Nick Rothwell 
Subject: Re: tamper proof patches?

> I'll be using a security program called Fileguard to prevent disk
> access... and to log all activity.. so no one will even consider
> tampering once they see the effort I made to catch them...

Oh, the PACE copy protection is bound to LOVE that...

I can only suggest that you partition the disk and put the critical
stuff on read-only partitions. This won't work for the MAX application
itself, of course, because the copy protection requires write-access
to it, and it wouldn't work for the boot volume, but it would work for
the MAX patcher files and the OMS setup. Alternatively, there's always
RAM disks; do any of the newer Macs let you install RAM disks that can
be booted from?

--
         Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL        contemporary dance projects
         http://www.cassiel.com        music synthesis and control

             years, passing by, VCO, VCF, and again, and again

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Date:    Fri, 25 Jul 1997 20:34:00 +1000
From:    Garth Paine 
Subject: Extensals Development software

Hi all,

I am thinking of delving into the world of externals (fear and
treperdation).  I have Max 3.5, but havent looked at the "writing
externals" file which is at work.  I have however just gone through the MAX
archive and am now completely confused as to what is the best software to
learn to write external in.  Sever people medtion Codwarrier.  Pleas could
someone advise me as a non "c" savy person who would like to plung head
first down the road of externals writing, what is the bees knees of
application development software.

Thanks,

Garth

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Date:    Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:41:15 -0400
From:    Stephen Kay 
Subject: Re: Externals Devlopment Software

>Pleas could
>someone advise me as a non "c" savy person who would like to plung head
>first down the road of externals writing, what is the bees knees of
>application development software.
>Garth

As has been mentioned time and time again, The 3.5 Max Developer's Doc ha=
s
all the examples written for CodeWarrior.  All the externals in MAX 3.5
were compiled with CodeWarrior. Max 3.5 itself was compiled with
CodeWarrior.  See a pattern emerging? :-)

I'm now using the latest CodeWarrior Pro Version 1 (which would have been=

CodeWarrior Gold 12) and am very happy with the new IDE.  Although I've
been working on strictly a 68k object at the moment, the new IDE supports=

multiple "targets", so there should be a way to have one project file for=

both your 68k and PPC version, and simply change targets when compiling.

Stephen Kay

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Date:    Fri, 25 Jul 1997 09:33:46 -0700
From:    Issac Roth 
Subject: Re: Something very personal

> Hello everybody,
>
> I did a mistake and I was "SIGNOFF" of this list since July the 13th.
> Can someone send me the mails exchanged on this list since this date
> until now (July the 24th) in a digest form?
> Thank you in advance.

ftp://ftpeng.cisco.com/iroth/max-archive.txt

Issac

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