7/7/97 11:01 PM
Subject: MAX Digest - 6 Jul 1997 to 7 Jul
1997To: Recipients of MAX digests 

There are 6 messages totalling 233 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. SE/30
  2. CD object with volume control
  3. Applescript
  4. PowerBooks (was A Rant)
  5. install problem
  6. 3.0 install problem


Date:    Mon, 7 Jul 1997 01:19:25 -0400
From:    Chester Jankowski 
Subject: Re: SE/30

Robert B. Carl wrote:

>I realize that it may seem insane to be using a SE30

I use an SE/30 (with 5 megs of RAM!) as my "touring machine" (perhaps
even Turing machine), and it's always performed well. It's even been
heard on the CBC's Two New Hours. I haven't done much with it lately, but
I'm pretty sure that I've been able to run 3.5 on it.

Perhaps Bob Pritchard can confirm?

P.S. This is a longshot, but do you have the new version of Mode 32 that
came out when System 7.5 came out? The earlier version won't work.



Date:    Mon, 7 Jul 1997 16:43:44 +1000
From:    Garth Paine 
Subject: Re: CD object with volume control

Hi All

Sorry to repeat myself, but last time I posted this I didn't get an answer,
ad I can't find it.

I noticed David Z send a note that he had added volume control to the CD
object.  I have been looking for it on the FTP sites but can't find it.
Could some one point me in the right direction please?

Thanks,  Garth

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Date:    Mon, 7 Jul 1997 02:54:42 -0400
From:    Steve Smith 
Subject: Applescript

If anyone knows were I can find the Applescript users group, please let me
know.  Thanks.
Steve Smith


Date:    Mon, 7 Jul 1997 10:55:27 +0100
From:    Nick Rothwell 
Subject: Re: PowerBooks (was A Rant)

>I will testify to no such thing. In fact, I won't get NEAR a courtroom
>with you. Do you know what my life would be worth if I testified?

As the late Eric Morecombe would say: not a lot.

>Since all I ever do over SCSI is drag'n'drop to a Zip, this isn't an
>issue for me. But I'd imagine people using MAX to control SCSI
>peripherals might find this aggravating. What sort of problems does
>one see?

My understanding is that PowerBooks don't deliver much SCSI termination
power. On my SE/30 I'm used to chaining together three or four external
HD's in extremis; a PB can probably not drive more than one.

As for ZIP drives, they're just temperamental. If you have one plugged in
and it works, fine, but don't play games with in in terms of trying long
cable lengths or additional SCSI devices, since sooner or later a ZIP
cartridge will get spat upon, and they're tricky to repair.

>That's what I was getting at. Like I said, I'm always fascinated by
>where David Z and the many contributors to the MAX idea base take this
>program; it's a growth process, which I watch with amazement and some

Perhaps my goal orientation is just different. These days I follow the MAX
list for mostly academic interest. I'm quite happy with MAX 3.0 on my
ancient PowerBooks, and I'm much more concerned - obsessed, even - with
what I can achieve with this conservative, stable, robust set of platforms.
MAX as domestic appliance, perhaps. While I might get inexcusably cranky on
this list when it comes to new versions, copy protection, technical support
and the rest of it, in truth I spend a a huge number of my waking hours,
and blow away large number of brain cells, beavering away with MAX 3.0,
THINK C, GNU EMACS and the rest, slowly but surely reshaping the world
around me until my philosophy of process music and control systems can bear
fruit in a rather backward artistic community.

>As Peter said: that it'd be nice if MAX had better objects for
>building librarians and editors? I'm not sure if I agree. MAX does
>such cool stuff that it seems rather pedestrain and wasteful to use it
>as an editor/librarian.

Well, it depends what you mean by librarian, or editor. I tend to think in
much more abstract terms than that, and see a MAX environment which
encompasses bits of editor functionality, and bits of librarian
functionality, all in a fluid and soft network of control interfaces, some
physical, some virtual. A prime example is probably my Wavestation effects
journaliser. It's not really an editor, although you can see how the
patches are constructed and reconstructed, and it's almost but not quite a

         Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL        contemporary dance projects        music synthesis and control

             years, passing by, VCO, VCF, and again, and again


Date:    Mon, 7 Jul 1997 15:23:50 +0200
From:    Peter Castine 
Subject: Re: install problem

 "Robert B. Carl"  asked about Max:
>  I've felt for some time I
>needed a copy to work with at home, if I was going to make any serious
>with it, esp. in terms of real pieces (up to this point I've done various
>"etudes"), so I ordered 3.5 from Opcode. Here is my configuration at home:
>Mac SE30, with 20mg of Ram
>Operating system 7.5.3, revision 2
>External Iomega Zip drive
>MOTU MIDI TimePiece, with system 1.03

The SE30 should do just fine. I'm running on a IIfx, and others are running
Max on much more modest configurations (early PowerBooks, f'rinstance).

The Pace copy protection is notorious about not liking anything it thinks
non-Kosher. I'm pretty sure removable media are one thing it objects to. It
also doesn't like it if you change the name of your boot disk or change the
boot disk. Etc, etc.

I wouldn't expect Mode32 to get in the way of either the install or Max
itself, but I wouldn't rule it out altogether, either. I don't know if
David Z. can confirm compatibility in this regard. It's hard for even Apple
and Micro$oft to check compatibility on all possible configurations, it's
well-nigh impossible for most one-man software houses (which David in
essence is) to do so. Opcode presumably has more resources for
compatibility testing that David, but given the state of their support for
Max, I'm sceptical about how much testing they do.



PS: I actually don't want to dump excessively on Opcode for
less-than-outstanding support for Max. I'm moderately amazed that a company
like Opcode is publishing the program at all. I'm sure it's not a big
bread-winner for 'em. OTOH, I expect they're not actually taking a loss on
it, and I would expect them to at least have someone in TechSupport who
knows how to build a patch and could field basic questions. Just pointing
users in the direction of this list is not technical support.

End of sermon.

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Dr. Peter Castine           | Coffee --   |
                            |    The 100% natural substitute for sleep.
Have Mac, Will Travel       |


Date:    Tue, 8 Jul 1997 07:26:20 +1000
From:    David Rodger 
Subject: Re: 3.0 install problem

Robert B. Carl wrote:

> I realize that it may seem insane to be using a SE30

Not at all.  The venerable Nick Rothwell still fires his up occasionally
and I only junked mine because I found a really cheap IIci and then a really
cheap 68040 accelerator to put in it.

> a little like an Volkswagen one keep refurbishing

I like that.  It's amazing what you can squeeze out of it.  BTW, I ran 3.0
sucessfully for a year before upgrading.

> installation of Max onto a Zip disk

I read about your troubles.  This is interesting, considering that 3.0
installs very nicely on a zip.  Just to be safe, though, I've always taken
the install disk and authorized/de-authorized on site.

> Zicarelli was working on solving the problem in an upcoming version.
> Is that true?

Yes.  I get the impression that David does much more work on MAX than Opcode
will ever know (or care) and certainly more than he gets paid for.

> I don't have much confidence in Opcode support services

You haven't dealt with some of their international distributors.  ;-)

I can only suggest that you work with 3.0 in the meanwhile and sacrifice
a little functionality for reliability (of the install, anyway).

Regards, David


End of MAX Digest - 6 Jul 1997 to 7 Jul 1997