6/19/97 11:00 PM
Subject: MAX Digest - 18 Jun 1997 to 19 Jun
1997To: Recipients of MAX digests 

There are 9 messages totalling 282 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Apple and Musicians
  2. MAX Digest - 17 Jun 1997 to 18 Jun 1997
  3. Digidesign Sample Cell 1 card
  4. Hiding the mouse pointer
  5. Ubsubscribe
  6. imovie screen size (not to mention position, etc.)
  7. Dominique David's comment
  8. Variable lenght delta
  9. Codewarrior sale


Date:    Thu, 19 Jun 1997 00:08:15 EDT
From:    Nick Longo <71477.2332@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject: Apple and Musicians

My understanding is that the Beatles recinded all legal claims against
Apple Computer about three years ago.  Apple however, has never been
enthusiastic about the fact that musicians adopted the Macintosh as
the computer of choice.  I believe they feared the thing that has really
been a big part of their problems--difficulty overcoming public perception
of Apple as a product of the counterculture.  The image of Apple execs as
hippies who made it rich has never sat well with the business community.

My own opinion is that they would have done better to stick to the original
vision of the Mac as a machine that was embued with cultural value, by
'focusing on it's real strength and the reason for its popularity with '
musicians, which is its graphics.  It was supposed to be a computer that
would turn everyone into an artist.  Now if Apple had gone after the market
SGI captured, they could have spun of some of that high end animation
software to its low end models while keeping the education, publishing and
desktop market sewn up.  Let Microsoft battle it out with IBM and Lotus.
That's what's happening now anyway, while  Apple is getting sandwiched
between low end Windows machines, and high end SGI's and Suns.  The music
market they could have turned into a PR bonanza if they had gotten into
the professional film and video editing arena.  Just my two and half cents.


Date:    Wed, 18 Jun 1997 21:58:10 +0100
From:    Peter Nyboer 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 17 Jun 1997 to 18 Jun 1997

>A french music journal published recently a questionnary about prefered
>products of some celebrities, and I noticed that old Atari softwares like
>Notator and Studio24 have been mentionned very often and quite never
>recent ones
>like Vision, Cubase or Logic.

I still use MasterTracks Pro 5.0! From 4 or 5 years ago...Maybe musicians
are smarter than MIS departments and the Microsoft Ideal Consumer and we
realize that an upgrade does not presume usefulness.

>I do believe in musical electronic hardware and software. But the industry
>today completely exploding: I will certainly not put so much money in a new
>digital audio system until I am sure that it will work and interface
>with others, and be correctly and durably supported.

I, too, will probably never buy a new system, that's why I keep getting
used ones!!!  There are a lot of wonderful "obsolete" machines that are
fantastic for a personal audio workstation.  With so much emphasis video
and audio/video and the expectation that it look like tv (can't you wait
for streaming Seinfeld?), even the weakest model of new computer is
generally capable of at least 32 track digital audio with mixer automation,
and MIDI.  However, there is that old compatability issue, that doesn't
even seem successful with a company line (MAC for instance...) as a result
of different chips, boards, hard drives, accessory cards, and probablility.

Which is why used is so fantastic.  Find some musician who's getting out of
the business or upgrading, but has fixed up the machine with all the
software and hardware and been using it for audio/midi.  Of course, living
in Los Angeles, there are about 300 of these people at any given tick of
the clock (bang from a metro?  Max as a vocabulary for the language of
life....ahhh...don't you feel good?), so I can write this with
self-assurance.  But the general theme still holds, I think.
Even so, if I could have spent the first few days with a computer composing
and progamming, I would be much happier (and less compu-phobic), instead of
dumping so much energy in configuation.  Oh well, at least I know where
shit is now!  Sometimes, I think we're a bit doomed, since these machines
are quickly getting so complex, they will eventually be like the weather
where some days the machine will please you, other days be a total piece of


Peter Nyboer
home of Slambassador multimedia gallery
"I ain't lying one pound"


Date:    Thu, 19 Jun 1997 09:47:39 +0200
From:    Thecla Schiphorst 
Subject: Digidesign Sample Cell 1 card

Hello all

I am looking for an older Digidesign Sample Cell 1 card
(for use on 68K Macs).
My old card was damaged in shipping, and I am installing
an interactive piece in Paris at the moment.
The piece is controlled by Max.
If you have any leads I would greatly appreciate it.
If you happen to be in the Paris area, that would
be even better!

Thank you very much!

Thecla Schiphorst


Date:    Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:43:09 +0200
From:    "Dr. K@rlheinz Essl" 
Subject: Re: Hiding the mouse pointer

Thanks for all your advices how to hide the mouse pointer! Jeffrey Krieger
pointed me towards a system extension called "Ghost mouse 1.1" which can be
found on the Info-Mac archives. It hides the mouse pointer when the mouse
have not been moved for a second or so. Works fine, no crashes yet.

Anyway, I am looking forward to Fred Collopy's MAX external!


Dr. K@rlheinz Essl
SAMT - Studio for Advanced Music & Media Technology
Bruckner-Konservatorium Linz / Austria

     Visit the MindShipMind - an interactive multimedial Web Oracle



Date:    Thu, 19 Jun 1997 08:49:00 +0000
From:    Ben Wrigley 
Subject: Ubsubscribe

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Date:    Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:24:46 +0200
From:    Peter Castine 
Subject: Re: imovie screen size (not to mention position, etc.)

todd welbourne asked:
>        Is there a way to resize a QT movie in the imovie box, the way you
>can in "MoviePlayer" (half, double, full screen, etc.)? or does it always
>play at the same size it was saved? TIA, TW

For better or worse, movie & friends all resize their windows to match the
size of the QT movie. This is a reasonable thing to do if you're worried
about performance (don't know about you, but zoomed-to-full-screen movies
are pretty jerky on my Mac). Still, it would be sort of nice if the movie
externals understood messages to resize the window.

I recently did a quick'n'dirty patch to the movie object to place the
window where I wanted it (more precisely: where Jeffrey Burns needed it for
his Piano of Light project). That was pure dead easy, and it also wouldn't
take much effort to tell movie how to interpret a 'position' message. If I
have some spare time I may do that for my own benefit (I don't want to
start distributing patched versions of standard objects around the net). If
other people clamour for that message, David Z. might find time to work it
into the next Max release.

As for a 'size' or 'scale' messages: again, not an aweful lot effort would
be needed (a bit more than for 'position', though). But, again, thinking of
performance, you might be better off to edit your movie to the size you



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Dr. Peter Castine          | Q: What do the IBM PC, Atari ST, NeXT, Amiga,  |    Windows 2.0, and Windows 3.0 have in common?
                           | A: They were all hailed as Apple-killers.
                           | (They have something else in common, but it
                           | escapes me right now...)


Date:    Thu, 19 Jun 1997 07:09:52 -0700
From:    Ken Rumery 
Subject: Dominique David's comment

>Friends reported to me the same experience with other standards. And
>today, the
>evolution of digital audio seems to be so un-organized, that I really
>to use my spare money to buy that splendid (US-made, congratulations,
>wood and silver flute, and no longer to buy that so-called state-of-the-art
>digital audio workstation, which will consume most of my free time in
>unsuccessfull upgrades, crossgrades, aspirins and so on. Where is the
>Music ???
>I do believe in musical electronic hardware and software. But the industry
>today completely exploding: I will certainly not put so much money in a new
>digital audio system until I am sure that it will work and interface
>with others, and be correctly and durably supported. Well, who is able to
>guarantee that, today? And finally, remember how introduction of MIDI
>all the industry!

Well said!  Worth repeating.  We just established a DAW called the Digital
Music Studio and it is loaded with the latest (all of which I have to learn
to keep my job). There is more than a touch of apprehension in my outlook.
The station includes Max, Studio Vision Pro, Protools, Overture, Galaxy
Plus Editors, Finale, a fully loaded K2500XS, an AudioMedia III card (Layla
wasn't avialable at the time), Director, Premier.  My boss assumes I will
be able to teach all this stuff at the end of the summer.  Somewhere under
all of this
is the need to make music.  I hope we don't get so caught up in fiddling
around with the tools that there is no time to teach or create music.


Ken Rumery  Composition and Digital Arts
office:    (520) 523-3850
home page:
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     K-)      <--  (a Kurzweil "smiley")


Date:    Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:41:45 -0400
From:    Dan Jamele 
Subject: Variable lenght delta

In a message dated 6/15/97 9:46:45 PM, you wrote:


The Midi Manufacturing Association has complete documentation on this and it
comes with an example in C code.  I started a Max patcher using the filein
object to do the conversion, but got sidetracked and aboned it.  If you
really need what I've done, which is very little really, I may have the
patcher laying around somewhere.



Date:    Thu, 19 Jun 1997 16:15:30 -0400
From:    Bob Gluck 
Subject: Codewarrior sale

David Z. posted regarding Metrowerks selling out recent a version of
Codewarrior. I called them and placed an order. It is indeed $19.95 and the
number to call at Metrowerks is 800-377-5416. The sales agent told me that
thought that the version was either 9 or 10.

Bob Gluck
Sheffield, MA


End of MAX Digest - 18 Jun 1997 to 19 Jun 1997