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Subject: MAX Digest - 17 Jun 1997 to 18 Jun
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There are 8 messages totalling 255 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. MAX Digest - 16 Jun 1997 to 17 Jun 1997 (2)
  2. 2 identical CD's-OUCH !!
  3. OMS, MIDI and things
  4. imovie screen size
  5. Hiding the mouse pointer
  6. M
  7. Downloads...

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Date:    Wed, 18 Jun 1997 10:24:36 +0200
From:    Dominique David 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 16 Jun 1997 to 17 Jun 1997

Peter McIlwain wrote:

> Look my basic point was not specifically to do with FreeMIDI or Max or
> OMS. The crux of the issue is that increasingly I'm experiencing that
> standardistion is breaking down. I realise that there are financial
> limitations on companies like Apple re providing services to a small
> market but what I was driving at is that one way or another the issue
> needs to be addressed.
>
> In my opinion Max users, who tend to range widly in their use of MIDI
> application a one of the best placed groups to have this discussion. Could
> we suggest that there is a standard which should be followed - if it is to
> be OMS then fine. These issues go a lot wide that just this - I'm seeing
> the same things happening with digital audio.
>
> I was I guess wondering if others felt the same way.

Yes, other feel the same way. Even more, I was rather enthusiastic 3 or 4
years
ago about music software to come with those new powerful announced machines.
But
recent music softwares appears to me more as dinosaurs or "usine a gaz" than
music tools (well, this does not so much apply for MAX...).

A french music journal published recently a questionnary about prefered
music
products of some celebrities, and I noticed that old Atari softwares like
Notator and Studio24 have been mentionned very often and quite never recent
ones
like Vision, Cubase or Logic. When working with Notator, I had the feeling
to
work with a musical instrument. I loosed that feeling when I switched to
Logic.
Friends reported to me the same experience with other standards. And today,
the
evolution of digital audio seems to be so un-organized, that I really
envisage
to use my spare money to buy that splendid (US-made, congratulations, guys!)
wood and silver flute, and no longer to buy that so-called state-of-the-art
digital audio workstation, which will consume most of my free time in
endless
unsuccessfull upgrades, crossgrades, aspirins and so on. Where is the Music
???

I do believe in musical electronic hardware and software. But the industry
is
today completely exploding: I will certainly not put so much money in a new
digital audio system until I am sure that it will work and interface
correctly
with others, and be correctly and durably supported. Well, who is able to
guarantee that, today? And finally, remember how introduction of MIDI
boosted
all the industry!

Dominique David
dominique.david@cea.fr

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Date:    Wed, 18 Jun 1997 11:00:26 +0200
From:    Jean Paul Laurent 
Subject: Re: 2 identical CD's-OUCH !!

Richard Dudas wrote:
>On a more cheerful note, I just thought I'd warn anybody trying to play two
>identical CDs using two CD ROM drives on the same Mac.  The Mac doesn't
>like it very much.

Garth Paine wrote:
>I too have had the pleaseure of discovering this, having had 6 CD's pressed
>for an installation that ran 6 CD-ROM drives controlling interactive audio.
>After numerous phone discussions I realised that there was an embeded
>serial code on each CD and that serial code is read by the driver software
>to identify the CD.  Hence you cant have 2 identical serial codes maounted
>at the same time because it thinks that the one CD is in both drives -
>brain hemerage !!!!!

A few years ago, Apple released HyperCard CD Audio Toolkit, a series of
HyperCard XCMDs and XFCNs to control an audio CD using a CD ROM drive.
(Apple is not more supporting this product, but it still works fine). The
documentation explains: "Function CDIdent() returns a 'virtually' unique id
number for the given CD. This number is the total number of blocks on the
CD. It's very unlikely that two arbitrary CDs are the same length down to
the 75th of a second. This is the same identification scheme we use in the
CDRemote desk accessory". (A 'block' on a CD is one 75th of a second of
audio data.)

The workaround would be to make copies of the same CD slightly different in
total time, by adding one or two seconds of silence at the end of the last
track (provided there are no copyright problems doing so with commercial
CDs...)

Jean Paul L.

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Date:    Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:52:45 +0200
From:    Peter Castine 
Subject: Re: OMS, MIDI and things

Peter Mcilwain wrote:
>Look my basic point was not specifically to do with FreeMIDI or Max or
>OMS. The crux of the issue is that increasingly I'm experiencing that
>standardistion is breaking down.

Well, yes, it would be a Godsend if there were one MIDI driver that we
could use with all our software. But for bunches of historical, business,
and `corporate-culture' reasons, life in this universe at this time is not
like that, and I, for one, don't see much chance of things changing in a
hurry.

It is very sad that Apple let Midi Manager go. The fact that Apple gave
their blessing to OMS would be some consolation if only products made in
Massachusetts worked reliably under OMS.

Please don't think that the rest of the list is unsympathetic to the
problems of maintaining a computer music system with multiple MIDI
applications; there are a number of us in similar situations (both in and
out of academia). It's obviously even worse in a computer lab situation.
But I think a lot of us, particularly those who've been wrestling with
these things for a long time, are essentially fatalistic about the
situation. I know I am.

Cheers,

Peter

------------------ http://www.prz.tu-berlin.de/~pcastine/ ------------------
Dr. Peter Castine          | Q: What do the IBM PC, Atari ST, NeXT, Amiga,
pcastine@prz.tu-berlin.de  |    Windows 2.0, and Windows 3.0 have in common?
                           | A: They were all hailed as Apple-killers.
                           | (They have something else in common, but it
                           | escapes me right now...)

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Date:    Wed, 18 Jun 1997 19:56:15 +0200
From:    Peter Castine 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 16 Jun 1997 to 17 Jun 1997

K@rlheinz Essl asked:
>Is there a way to hide the mouse pointer in MAX?

I take it _HideCursor and friends (i.e. _ShieldCursor and _ObscureCursor)
don't do the trick?

My first suspicion would be that Max might be calling _ShowCursor each time
through it's Event Loop.

A few things one might try:

(a) try to outdo Max, and call _HideCursor at regular intervals. This will
probably only result in flickering, but might be worth trying.

(b) you might try 2 or three calls to _HideCursor (in the hopes that Max is
only calling _ShowCursor once).

(c) _HideCursor actually just sets a low memory global (IMS); you could try
setting that global to something like -32768 and see if that helps.

Of course, if Max is calling _InitCursor at regular intervals, none of the
above will work. A really funky approach would be to fiddle the QuickDraw
global qd.arrow, filling the data structure with an invisible cursor. Be
careful about trying this one at home, kids.

Cheers,

Peter

------------------ http://www.prz.tu-berlin.de/~pcastine/ ------------------
Dr. Peter Castine          | Q: What do the IBM PC, Atari ST, NeXT, Amiga,
pcastine@prz.tu-berlin.de  |    Windows 2.0, and Windows 3.0 have in common?
                           | A: They were all hailed as Apple-killers.
                           | (They have something else in common, but it
                           | escapes me right now...)

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Date:    Wed, 18 Jun 1997 14:31:55 -0500
From:    todd welbourne 
Subject: imovie screen size

Hello Maxers,
        Is there a way to resize a QT movie in the imovie box, the way you
can in "MoviePlayer" (half, double, full screen, etc.)? or does it always
play at the same size it was saved? TIA, TW

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Date:    Wed, 18 Jun 1997 15:40:32 -0500
From:    Fred Collopy 
Subject: Hiding the mouse pointer

>Is there a way to hide the mouse pointer in MAX?
>
>Cheers,
>
>
>Dr. K@rlheinz Essl

I have a Max object that will hide the cursor. I didn't upload it to the
standard places because it also dealt with hiding the menubar and other
things the need for which was obviated with 3.5, but I would be happy to
send the object and/or the C-code to anyone who'd like it. (I don't have it
with me today, but will bring in a copy and send it along to you tomorrow
Karl).

Fred

Fred Collopy
Weatherhead School of Management
Case Western Reserve University
Cleveland, Ohio 44106
(216)368-2144 voice
(216)368-4776 fax

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Date:    Thu, 19 Jun 1997 09:12:07 +1000
From:    David Rodger 
Subject: Re: M

David Z wrote:
> Yes, I am just finishing it [M],and it will be available soon but
> only in a Japanese version distributed by a company called Eyes. Co. Ltd.
> (http://www.threeweb.ad.jp/~eyes). I haven't decided how to make OMS-M
> available outside of Japan yet.

What about the Electronic Music Foundation?  They are, after all, selling
the last version of M as a piece of "historically important software"?
Only if the terms are right, of course....  ;-)

Regards,
David Rodger
musdr@lure.latrobe.edu.au
http://farben.latrobe.edu.au/d_rodger

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Date:    Wed, 18 Jun 1997 22:03:52 -0400
From:    Ethan Rowe 
Subject: Downloads...

Hello all.

I'm pretty new to this whole deal, so forgive my ignorance.  Where, oh
where, are the good spots for MAX external object downloads and other
goodies?

 --
E t h a n   R o w e

        "And remember, sound was used for centuries as a method
         of torture."  -Negativland

        "Everyone wears a uniform."  -Frank Zappa

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