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Subject: MAX Digest - 10 Jun 1997 to 11 Jun 1997 - Special
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There are 18 messages totalling 508 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. brain waves and midi (4)
  2. MAX Digest - 9 Jun 1997 to 10 Jun 1997 (2)
  3. strange things afoot with midi... (3)
  4. URN
  5. copy protection
  6. PB1400/CD object
  7. Urn (Was: )
  8. MaxSound
  9. MAX Digest - 9 Jun 1997
 10. Request of informations
 11. Not-so-random-numbers (revisited)
 12. Fat Sound Tools

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Date:    Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:38:38 -0500
From:    =cw4t7abs 
Subject: Re: brain waves and midi

http://www.opendoor.com/pagoda/IBVAfiles.html

>
>This probably isn't the best place to bring this up, but I thought I'd give
>it a go.
>any lists or NGrps you may know of that would be better forums would be
>appreciated.
>
>I'm wanting to use brain-waves to generate midi.
>I've heard of a (Japanese ?) system that does it, but only in heresay and I
>don't know its name etc..
>Anyone using I-Cube ... would it handle voltages of this order?
>
>TIA
>
>Jeremy Yuille
>overlobe@ozemail.com.au
>http://www.ozemail.com.au/~overlobe/seosight

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Date:    Tue, 10 Jun 1997 20:18:59 -1000
From:    Rex Brian Coggins 
Subject: Re: brain waves and midi

> Date:    Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:36:56 +1000
> From:    Sensor E Overlobe 
> Subject: brain waves and midi
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm wanting to use brain-waves to generate midi.
> I've heard of a (Japanese ?) system that does it, but only in heresay and
I
> don't know its name etc..

> Jeremy Yuille
> overlobe@ozemail.com.au
> http://www.ozemail.com.au/~overlobe/seosight

You might try the IBVA system:

http://www.IBVA.com

It used to come with a MAX patcher but they switched over to Hypercard a
couple of years ago. You can allways write your own as it connects to
the Mac via a serial port.

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Date:    Wed, 11 Jun 1997 16:31:16 +1000
From:    densil cabrera 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 9 Jun 1997 to 10 Jun 1997

>My URN object (MAX 3.0) gives the same random order every time after
>computer being rebooted. I will be thankful for an idea why it can be so.

I don't know why.
There are probably better ways of getting around it, but I continually
reset the URN every 20ms while discussing the experiment interface with the
subject.  As I never take exactly the same amount of time to discuss the
interface, the URN always outputs a different sequence of numbers during
the experiment.

_________________________________________________________________
Densil Cabrera, Research Student
Department of Architectural and Design Science
Wilkinson Building G04, University of Sydney, NSW 2006, Australia
Telephone +61 2 9351 5267 (w)                 +61 2 9449 7293 (h)
Fax +61 2 9351 3031                email  densil@arch.usyd.EDU.AU

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Date:    Wed, 11 Jun 1997 07:59:28 +0200
From:    "David K. Mason" 
Subject: Re: strange things afoot with midi...

>PPS: The workshop went wonderfully and the most commonly asked question was
>``Where can I get Max?'' followed by ``Wieviel kostet es?''
***Followed by "Oje, das ist zu teuer" which I hear here in Stuttgart.

Best regards,
Dave Mason

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Date:    Wed, 11 Jun 1997 08:43:32 +0200
From:    "Dr. K@rlheinz Essl" 
Subject: Re: URN

Galembo Alexandre  writes:

> My URN object (MAX 3.0) gives the same random order every time after
> computer being rebooted. I will be thankful for an idea why it can be so.

The "fresh-random-number" object of my "Realtime Composition Library for
MAX" will remedy this. It guarantees that the random number sequence from
"random" and "urn" is different at each startup. Have a look at

        http://www.ping.at/users/essl/works/rtc.html

for downloading informations.

Cheers,

Dr. K@rlheinz Essl
SAMT - Studio for Advanced Music & Media Technology
Bruckner-Konservatorium Linz / Austria
www:   http://www.ping.at/users/essl/index.html

________________________________________________________________________
     Visit the MindShipMind - an interactive multimedial Web Oracle
          http://www.ping.at/users/essl/works/mindshipmind.html
________________________________________________________________________

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Date:    Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:27:50 +0100
From:    Nick Rothwell 
Subject: Re: strange things afoot with midi...

>***Followed by "Oje, das ist zu teuer" which I hear here in Stuttgart.

"Und, der copy protection ist ausgerfuckt, ich glaube."

         Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL        contemporary dance projects
         http://www.cassiel.com        music synthesis and control

             years, passing by, VCO, VCF, and again, and again

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Date:    Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:32:42 +0100
From:    Nick Rothwell 
Subject: Re: copy protection

>There was another way around Pace CP that received a lot less press: disk
>partitioning software like MultiDisk would allow you to create a partition
>that was realized as an invisible file on a physical disk. (The individual
>steps necessary to get Pace-protected software running without Key Disk and
>no change to the install count are left as an exercise for the reader.) For
>better or worse, I think Pace is now clever enough that this trick no
>longer works. I don't know, I haven't tried it.

The way PACE now works is to key the boot partition as well as the
partition you install on. The boot partition cannot be a virtual volume, of
course.

The installation procedure doesn't tell you this, or give any kind of
information about what it means by installing on a particular disk or
partition. It certainly doesn't tell you that it's also hashing on your
machine configuration, boot volume name, time, date and phase-of-moon.

>Management had asked for a CP that would do ``the most damage
>possible'' if it sniffed any attempt at kracking. Something along the lines
>of formatting the hard disk.

I would hope that one would have a strong legal case here.

         Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL        contemporary dance projects
         http://www.cassiel.com        music synthesis and control

             years, passing by, VCO, VCF, and again, and again

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Date:    Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:43:45 +0200
From:    Jens Jacobsen 
Subject: Re: brain waves and midi

Hi,

Sensor E Overlobe wrote:

> I'm wanting to use brain-waves to generate midi.
> I've heard of a (Japanese ?) system that does it, but only in heresay and
I
> don't know its name etc..

You should try the Waverider system by Jonathan Purcell. Check it out at
http://alt.medmarket.com/members/allied/waverider.html

Unfortunately it only seems to work under Microsoft Windows. An external
object for Max has been made by Marco Carrac, but when I tested it about
a year ago, the object didn't work. Maybe it has been corrected by now.
But the electronics seems to work fine, and is able to measure
brainwaves (EEG), heartwaves (ECG) and nerveactivity (ENG), show the
measured data graphically (in MS-Windows anyway) and convert it all to
MIDI in just about any way you want it.
--
___________________________________________
Jens Jacobsen, Hardware engineer
Danish Institute of Electroacoustic Music
Musikhuset Aarhus, Denmark
http://www.daimi.aau.dk/~diem/
___________________________________________

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Date:    Wed, 11 Jun 1997 09:39:02 +0100
From:    Nick Rothwell 
Subject: Re: strange things afoot with midi...

>Is it all too naive of me to ask if it wouldn't be possible to take the
>core MIDI I/O source code from OMS and integrate it into Max?

I'm not personally a fan of this "roll everything in" approach to software
- it's the Microsoft way, apart from anything else - and much prefer the
MIDI libraries to be separate. I've just got used to carrying around a
minimal set of OMS utilities (the setup application, the extension(s), the
drivers, a copy of MIDI Logger) which is smaller and simpler than what you
need for a MAX installation. And with OMS 1.2.3, OMS fits on a single
floppy. (I wouldn't be surprised if OMS 3 required multiple CD-ROM's.)

         Nick Rothwell, CASSIEL        contemporary dance projects
         http://www.cassiel.com        music synthesis and control

             years, passing by, VCO, VCF, and again, and again

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Date:    Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:14:12 +0200
From:    Peter Castine 
Subject: Re: PB1400/CD object

"Gregg Wagstaff, University of Dundee, Scotland."
 asked:

>I'm about to invest in a PowerBook 1400. I see on its spec. sheet that
>its CD-ROM interface is IDE not SCSI. Question: will the CD drive be seen
>MAX's [CD] object which, I believe,  scans the SCSI buss. This is
>v.impt as I want to run a standalone installation from the PB only.

You may have seen the PS: from my post (on another matter) sent yesterday,
which answers your question:

        No.

As you suggested:

        The cd external scans the SCSI bus.
        An IDE CD-ROM drive is not on the SCSI bus.

        Ergo:   The cd external does not see an IDE CD-ROM drive.

Not only is it QED under Aristotelian logic, practical experience verifies
this. At least as far as Max 3.0, but I haven't heard any news that cd
under 3.5 looks at IDE bus.

Work-arounds and/or solutions:

1) Boycott Macs with IDE CD-ROM drives (good politics, IMO, but doesn't
necessarily help with the problem at hand).

2) Carry an external SCSI CD-ROM drive with you (not elegant, but lets you
use the cd object).

3) Write an IDE-savvy cd external object yourself (this sort of only works
if you're a C/C++ programmer).

4) Ask David Z. (or 3rd party developers) to do (3) for you (might work,
but don't expect results tomorrow morning).

BTW: The thing that is cool about solution (2) is that you might want to
carry _several_ CD-ROM drives around with you. Yes, Virginia, you can
control multiple SCSI CD-ROM drives with the cd object. Mongo nifty.

Cheers,

Peter

------------------ http://www.prz.tu-berlin.de/~pcastine/ ------------------
Dr. Peter Castine          | Q: What do the IBM PC, Atari ST, NeXT, Amiga,
pcastine@prz.tu-berlin.de  |    Windows 2.0, and Windows 3.0 have in common?
                           | A: They were all hailed as Apple-killers.
                           | (They have something else in common, but it
                           | escapes me right now...)

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Date:    Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:14:19 +0200
From:    Peter Castine 
Subject: Re: Urn (Was: )

>My URN object (MAX 3.0) gives the same random order every time after
>computer being rebooted. I will be thankful for an idea why it can be so.

This is a typical behavior of (pseudo-) random number generators.

Alexander: Random number generators are NOT random. They use deterministic
means to generate a sequence of numbers that look more-or-less random.
Every time you reboot (or restart Max), the random number generator starts
off from the same point.

To make matters worse, I'm pretty sure that the Max random objects use the
random() function provided in the programming libraries provided by
Metrowerks (and in earlier incarnations, THINK). The THINK version was
certainly not a good implementation; I don't know if MSL is any better. The
Mac Toolbox _Random is a better implementation (though still not a
heavy-duty statistician's simulation tool).

In any case, the typical solution is to _seed_ the random number generator
with a non-deterministic value (something like the number of clock ticks
since startup). Unfortunately, the standard Max random number objects don't
support a seed message. If I recall correctly, Gary Lee Nelson's random
objects do allow you to set an arbitrary seed value, and it wouldn't be
hard to write a patch that emulates urn with those external objects. If I
ever get around to re-writing Litter as externals, I will certainly support
a seed message (and something like an urn object). But don't hold your
breath.

Hope this helps,

Peter

------------------ http://www.prz.tu-berlin.de/~pcastine/ ------------------
Dr. Peter Castine          | Q: What do the IBM PC, Atari ST, NeXT, Amiga,
pcastine@prz.tu-berlin.de  |    Windows 2.0, and Windows 3.0 have in common?
                           | A: They were all hailed as Apple-killers.
                           | (They have something else in common, but it
                           | escapes me right now...)

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Date:    Wed, 11 Jun 1997 15:00:00 +0000
From:    Pavel Smetana 
Subject: Re: brain waves and midi

> This probably isn't the best place to bring this up, but I thought I'd
give
> it a go.
> any lists or NGrps you may know of that would be better forums would be
> appreciated.
>
> I'm wanting to use brain-waves to generate midi.
> I've heard of a (Japanese ?) system that does it, but only in heresay and
I
> don't know its name etc..
> Anyone using I-Cube ... would it handle voltages of this order?
>
> TIA
>
> Jeremy Yuille

Hi Jeremy,

 It's 1 year than I use for my installation "The Room of Desires" interface
WaveRider between Mac - MAX and brainwaves and I'm fully satisfied with
this solution.  I generate MIDI by brainwaves, ECG (heartbeats) and GSR
(general skin resistance - stress level) and I pilot by the MIDI multiple
devices - Laservideo Discs, VideoMixer, AudioMixers, CD Audio, Expanders
etc. I think that's better then I-Cube (for this). All this informations
are on the web: http://www.biof.com/waverider.html.

Pavel

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PAVEL SMETANA                smetana@calva.net
10, rue Hechner               67 000 Strasbourg  -  France
tel: 03 88 31 87 89
fax: 03 88 31 87 90

"THE ROOM OF DESIRES"  is on this address :
http://www.savba.sk/logos/mca/cecm/bee96cam/bfback_e/Welcomen.html

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Date:    Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:40:46 -0700
From:    Benjamin Pastrana 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 9 Jun 1997 to 10 Jun 1997

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO unsubscribre FROM THIS MAILIST?

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Date:    Wed, 11 Jun 1997 12:53:06 -0400
From:    Bob Gluck 
Subject: MaxSound

I downloaded the files for MaxSound many months ago and only this week had a
chance to take a peek.

A few questions--is there are more recent version of MaxSound since 1.0?

Is there now an Aiffout object? I see an Aiffin, but only a Sdout. If not
(since I only work in Aiff format), is there an alternative to outputing in
SD format and translating the files in an audio editing application?

Thanks,
Bob Gluck
Sheffield, MA

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Date:    Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:00:41 -0700
From:    Steve Anderson 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 9 Jun 1997

        Reply to:   RE>MAX Digest - 9 Jun 1997 to 10 Jun 1997

I'm wanting to use brain-waves to generate midi.
I've heard of a (Japanese ?) system that does it, but only in heresay and I
don't know its name etc..
Anyone using I-Cube ... would it handle voltages of this order?

TIA

Jeremy Yuille
overlobe@ozemail.com.au
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~overlobe/seosight

There is a product called the Interactive Brainwave Analyzer (IBWA) I have
seen demonstrated at MacWorld. The developer is from San Francisco. Sorry,
cannot find his or company name, will continue looking. It is an amazing
device that consists of headband, beltpack and ir remote receiver that plugs
in to Mac serial port. It plots a 3-D, color 4-channel waterfall-type
spectrum
of different brain frequencys (alpha, beta, theta, etc). It seemed to work
and
he said that there were data export stubs available, meaning, it might not
be
real time or whatever, he said they were working on device control but that
this is not straightforward.
It is used in biofeedback.

sea

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Date:    Wed, 11 Jun 1997 19:11:26 +0200
From:    Nicola Di Vito 
Subject: Request of informations

For Discussion of interactive music/multimedia standard environments:
I should be very grate if you could explain me the principies of the
"variable lenght bytes" used to write in the Standard MIDI files the values
of delta times and how to translate them in normal hexadecimal notation. I
pray you also, to send me a routine to read and write these values in
Standard 0 MIDI files,  eventually using Think C and considering my low
skillnes in programming.
                                       Thanks

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Date:    Wed, 11 Jun 1997 10:25:49 -0800
From:    Christopher Dobrian 
Subject: Not-so-random-numbers (revisited)

Alexander Galembo wrote:

>My URN object (MAX 3.0) gives the same random order every time after
>computer being rebooted. I will be thankful for an idea why it can be so.

This is not an answer to your question of "why", but it addresses the
"problem":
In Max 3.5 you can cause unpredictable OR predictable pseudo-random
sequences of integers with the "seed" message to any of the random objects
such as random, decide (new in 3.5), drunk, and urn.

--Chris

                              ----------------
             Christopher Dobrian / School of the Arts - Music
             University of California / Irvine, CA 92697-2775
                Phone: (714) 824-7288 / Fax: (714) 824-4914
                      http://www.arts.uci.edu/dobrian/

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Date:    Wed, 11 Jun 1997 14:01:50 -0000
From:    pseudo 
Subject: Fat Sound Tools

I am working on a project in which we want to make MAX patches respond to
ambient sound.  As such we are looking for tools which allow us to sample
the sound input at regular intervals.

The IRCAM ftp site doesn't have any FAT sound tools.

I was wondering if any of the people who worked on the multitude of sound
tools in the 68k section were planning on porting their tools to the PPC.

Also, I would be willing to undertake the port myself if anybody has
source code they can send to me.  We can work out ownership issues and so
on through e-mail.

Thank you

[fletcher]

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