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Subject: MAX Digest - 9 Jun 1997 to 10 Jun
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There are 9 messages totalling 369 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. brain waves and midi
  2. MAX Digest - 7 Jun 1997 to 8 Jun 1997
  3. copy protection (2)
  4. ? PB1400/CD object (2)
  5. 
  6. strange things afoot with midi... (2)

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Date:    Tue, 10 Jun 1997 15:36:56 +1000
From:    Sensor E Overlobe 
Subject: brain waves and midi

Hi all,

This probably isn't the best place to bring this up, but I thought I'd give
it a go.
any lists or NGrps you may know of that would be better forums would be
appreciated.

I'm wanting to use brain-waves to generate midi.
I've heard of a (Japanese ?) system that does it, but only in heresay and I
don't know its name etc..
Anyone using I-Cube ... would it handle voltages of this order?

TIA

Jeremy Yuille
overlobe@ozemail.com.au
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~overlobe/seosight

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Date:    Tue, 10 Jun 1997 02:39:56 -0400
From:    Dan Jamele 
Subject: Re: MAX Digest - 7 Jun 1997 to 8 Jun 1997

In a message dated 6/8/97 10:56:18 PM, you wrote:

<
Subject: DMX 512

Last week, I gave a demo presentation of my project JEFFREY BURNS - THE
PIANO OF LIGHT, using the LanBox LC II, developed by advanced electronics
bv http://www.cds.nl/. Attached to the Mac's printer port, it enabled me to
successfully run 36 spotlights independantly of eachother from from within
a Max patch. >>

Remember folks, you can also use our CL6 Midi Lighting dimmer to easily
control lighting from any Midi program (especially Max) and it is both the
processor AND a 6 channel lighting dimmer in one box for a total of $399.00.
 It uses Midi directly rather than DMX512 which makes it easy to integrate,
although it won't control Intellebeams etc.  It's perfect for exhibits,
concerts, and live work.  It runs on 100-240 VAC at 50 or 60Hz.  Plug and
go!

We do have a custom written MAX object to control the Pthalos dual DMX card
(NuBus or PCI) for the Mac.  The nummer is that the card is about $1500.00,
but very high end and dual channel, bi-directional DMX with scene and fade
time memory and other fun features.  We're still doing a bit of debugging,
but if you need a full fledged dual DMX solution this is at least a
solution.
 If I wasn't being paid to write the interface though, I'm not sure I would
go this route.  NSI sells a 128 channel Midi to DMX converter for around
$500
so.....???

Dan Jamele
MediaMation Inc.

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Date:    Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:45:00 BST-1
From:    Ian Waugh 
Subject: Re: copy protection

> From:    Nick Rothwell 
> Subject: Re: copy protection(2)
>
> >There's the KDT system which, I believe, is well-known in the USA. But
> the
> >Pace system apparently checks your HD and if it finds any KDT files it
> >promptly commits hari kari! Interesting concept - software which tells
> you
> >what other software you can and cannot have on your machine...
>
> I find this fascinating, if true, and certainly grounds for
> compensation/refund on any software whose CP scheme does this.

Read it and believe it - it's absolutely true!

> >KDT has been
> >updated a few times since and I don't know what the current state of
> play
> >is. You can check the Web site: http://www.urshan.com/sum.
>
> Of course, it's because of Urshan that we're all suffering. Every time
> one
> or other side makes an advance in this arms race, the CP is made more
> paranoid and breaks in ever more innocent circumstances for ever more
> users.

But if the CP hadn't been so inefficient in the first place there'd be no
need for anyone to look at methods of protecting their investment.

Cheers,
Ian

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Date:    Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:48:06 +0100
From:    "Gregg Wagstaff, University of Dundee,
         Scotland." 
Subject: ? PB1400/CD object

Dear Maxers,

I'm about to invest in a PowerBook 1400. I see on its spec. sheet that
its CD-ROM interface is IDE not SCSI. Question: will the CD drive be seen
MAX's [CD] object which, I believe,  scans the SCSI buss. This is
v.impt as I want to run a standalone installation from the PB only.

regards,

Gregg Wagstaff -

School of Television & Imaging,
University of Dundee,
Scotland.

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Date:    Tue, 10 Jun 1997 08:24:58 -0400
From:    Galembo Alexandre 
Subject: 

Hi,

My URN object (MAX 3.0) gives the same random order every time after
computer being rebooted. I will be thankful for an idea why it can be so.

Alexander
Alexander Galembo, Ph. D.
Acoustics lab., Dept. of Psychology
Queen's University
Kingston, Ontario K7L3N6, Canada.
Tel. (613) 545-6000, ext. 5754
Fax (613)545-2499 (for A. Galembo)
E-mail: galembo@psyc.queensu.ca

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Date:    Tue, 10 Jun 1997 06:35:08 +0000
From:    Tod Fiste 
Subject: Re: strange things afoot with midi...

Peter,

I wonder if you're experiencing a problem I've been having ever since I
got a new PPC machine.  I'm using a Power Mac 7600/132, 32 mb, system
7.5.5, and ever since I got it I've had a strange problem where my Mac
will seem to totally freeze until I click the mouse button.  When this
starts to happen, re-installing my system folder fixes it, at least for
a while.  I thought I had traced it to being a problem with non-native
apps, but once the problem shows up it does so for both native and
non-native apps.  My next guess is that some application (I'm suspecting
a non-native app) is somehow causing the Finder or System file to get
messed up.  I haven't spent the time to trouble-shoot it further yet.

To see if you are experiencing the same problem, try this: instead of
clicking on the desktop to go to the finder when the problem occurs, try
clicking on an empty part of the menu bar a couple of times.  If your
MIDI stuff comes out at that point (but you're still in Max, which
should be the case), then we're probably having the same problem.

Tod

Peter Nyboer wrote:
>
> Has anyone ever had the problem of satan or perhaps a lesser demon enter
> the computer and curse it with intermittentent or illogical happenings?
> Can you recommend a good exorcist??
> Well, it's the only explanation I can come up with, so I turn to the
oracle
> of max@vm1.mcgill.ca in hopes of an answer.  Hopefully, I end up better
> than that Oedipus cat.
> I have a Pmac 7100/80, 24Megs, system 7.5.5, running Max 3.5, and OMS
> 2.3.1.  I was doing some simple recording with it the other day (with
> detonate) and I noticed that sometimes I would hit Play, and nothing would
> come out.  I clicked on the desktop to go to the finder, then clicked on
> the Max window to return.  Midi then proceeded to come out.  What??  I
have
> since checked connections, changed from Printer to Modem, disconnected my
> modem, blah, blah, blah.  I downloaded a little program from Opcode called
> the Standard Interface Tester, turned off OMS, pared down the extensions
(I
> admit I didn't get rid of the Digidesign extensions, but I hope THAT isn't
> the source...), and ran the tester with the same results.  Click on a
> button to send midi out, no results, then clicking on the desktop and then
> back to the Max-created tester, and then I get life from midi.  In
> addition, I have been getting no midi out from ProTools, but I haven't
> checked that out that thoroughly.
> Evidently, there is some weird software problem, any suggestions may save
> my sanity,
>
> Peter
>
> Peter Nyboer
> pnyober@ucla.edu
> http://128.97.119.66
> home of Slambassador multimedia gallery
> "I ain't lying one pound"

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Date:    Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:12:25 -0400
From:    Eric Singer 
Subject: Re: ? PB1400/CD object

Someone (I don't remember who) recently reported that the 'cd' object does
_not_ work with the 1400.  I haven't tried it though.

Eric

On Tue, 10 Jun 1997, Gregg Wagstaff, University of Dundee,
 Scotland. wrote:

> Dear Maxers,
>
> I'm about to invest in a PowerBook 1400. I see on its spec. sheet that
> its CD-ROM interface is IDE not SCSI. Question: will the CD drive be seen
> MAX's [CD] object which, I believe,  scans the SCSI buss. This is
> v.impt as I want to run a standalone installation from the PB only.
>
> regards,
>
>
> Gregg Wagstaff -
>
> School of Television & Imaging,
> University of Dundee,
> Scotland.
>

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Date:    Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:14:21 +0200
From:    Peter Castine 
Subject: Re: strange things afoot with midi...

Peter Nyboer's questions about Max, MIDI, and OMS prompt me to post a
tangential remark and question...

I'm just back from doing an introductory Max Workshop in Osnabr=FCck (as
observant list readers may already realize:-). Given the context of the
workshop (short: 90 minutes) and my situation (currently no PowerBook to
call my own), I just took along my Max diskettes to install on the PMac
4400 provided by the KlangArt organizers. (No HD install, just use the key
disk; deleted the app after the workshop; no one using Max on my home
machine while I was doing the workshop: in short, I think this was all
legal and within the license.)

Anyway, of course I forgot to take the OMS installer with me. And, the
funny thing is, MIDI worked just fine the first time. Luckily, MIDI IN
started disappearing while testing the night before the workshop (I would
have been USCWAP if MIDI had waited until the workshop to go flaky). After
a period of banging my head against a wall (and a reminder from Georg
Hajdu--tip o' the hat), memories of earlier discussions warning against the
use of Max' built-in MIDI driver came back to me.

In case you've forgotten:

        DON'T BOTHER WITH MAX' BUILT-IN MIDI DRIVER ON NEW MACS.

Now, I understand Max 3.5 doesn't even offer the option of a built-in MIDI
driver, which makes sense in that the old driver is _tres ancien_ and flaky
at best. OTOH, for the sort of demonstration situation described above (and
I'm surely not the only person doing this sort of thing), it would be
*incredibly* convenient to be able to fall back on a built in MIDI driver.

Is it all too naive of me to ask if it wouldn't be possible to take the
core MIDI I/O source code from OMS and integrate it into Max?

(Or is Opcode sufficiently paranoid that they won't let their Max hand know
what their OMS hand is doing?)

Cheers,

Peter

PS: Another word of warning: remember that the internal CD-ROM drives on
some new Macs are not SCSI! Guess what this means if you're using the cd
object. In my case I was lucky: there was an old external SCSI CD-ROM drive
available.

PPS: The workshop went wonderfully and the most commonly asked question was
``Where can I get Max?'' followed by ``Wieviel kostet es?''

------------------ http://www.prz.tu-berlin.de/~pcastine/ ------------------
Dr. Peter Castine          | Q: What do the IBM PC, Atari ST, NeXT, Amiga,
pcastine@prz.tu-berlin.de  |    Windows 2.0, and Windows 3.0 have in common?
                           | A: They were all hailed as Apple-killers.
                           | (They have something else in common, but it
                           | escapes me right now...)

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Date:    Tue, 10 Jun 1997 23:14:31 +0200
From:    Peter Castine 
Subject: Re: copy protection

Ian Waugh  wrote:
>There's the KDT system which, I believe, is well-known in the USA.

Sydney Urshan has been sending me flyers and e-mail since the first release
of KDT, so I think it must have some presence here on the European
continent.

There was another way around Pace CP that received a lot less press: disk
partitioning software like MultiDisk would allow you to create a partition
that was realized as an invisible file on a physical disk. (The individual
steps necessary to get Pace-protected software running without Key Disk and
no change to the install count are left as an exercise for the reader.) For
better or worse, I think Pace is now clever enough that this trick no
longer works. I don't know, I haven't tried it.

>     But the
>Pace system apparently checks your HD and if it finds any KDT files it
>promptly commits hari kari!

If it's any consolation (not likely) an ex-student of mine had done
programming work for one of the local Atari MIDI software development
houses. Management had asked for a CP that would do ``the most damage
possible'' if it sniffed any attempt at kracking. Something along the lines
of formatting the hard disk. Makes losing a HD install seem mostly harmless
in comparison.

Nick Rothwell added:

>Of course, it's because of Urshan that we're all suffering. Every time one
>or other side makes an advance in this arms race, the CP is made more
>paranoid and breaks in ever more innocent circumstances for ever more
users.

C'est vrais. I'm old enough to remember when Lotus 1-2-3 (and the rest of
business software) was copy protected, and the continuing escalation
between bit copying software and CP manufacturers. Luckily for the business
community, economies of scale have reached a point that Micro$oft & Co. can
afford the (diminishing) percentage of income lost to pirated software and
live without CP. Things look different in the music market, and I suspect
we'll have CP for many a year to come.

Cheers,

------------------ http://www.prz.tu-berlin.de/~pcastine/ ------------------
Dr. Peter Castine          | Q: What do the IBM PC, Atari ST, NeXT, Amiga,
pcastine@prz.tu-berlin.de  |    Windows 2.0, and Windows 3.0 have in common?
                           | A: They were all hailed as Apple-killers.
                           | (They have something else in common, but it
                           | escapes me right now...)

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